Posted on 07/19/2006 4:47:01 AM PDT by xrp
As a privately owned business, they have every right to do this.
As a private citizen, I have every right to go elsewhere.
That is what choice is all about.
I submit that one of the major reasons for the reason smoking is declining is NOT the outrage of the populace of whining anti-smoking Nazi's, but rather the "tax the crap out of 'em" mentality that has priced the product beyond the means of many smokers.
The Black Market and Internet sales of cigarettes is thriving due to the taxes, and when the anit-smoking Nazi's see the taxes THEY will be paying after the Class Action wealth-redistribution on Alchohol and Fast Foods hits THEM, they will wonder what happened, too......
You are wrong. Smokers no longer smoke in public buildings and many private office buildings have "no smoking" policies as well. Smokers have complied and do not light up wherever they choose. But that's not enough for the anti-smoking Fascists. They want laws prohibiting smoking on private property! Wield the mighty power of Government to FORCE compliance under the threat of violence! It is THAT attitude (typically held by Liberals) that is the downfall of smokers.
If they make the others have to go nonsmoking they will be more competitive while having lower costs and lower unfilled rooms when at capacity for nonsmoking.
Why should they have to make the others go non smoking to remain competitive? Marriott claims they did this because of customer requests. Why shouldn't other hotels have the same choice? Seems kind of strange that everyone accuses smokers of being a small miniscule, poverty ridden , uneducated bunch. Out of the other side of the mouth, a upper scale hotel is so mortified of losing their business, they want to force others to follow their lead.. If their cleaning cost was so high in smokers rooms, why do they care about losing them to someone else?
Ask them. The trend is that the larger hospitality companies are pressuring local gov'ts to enact smoking bans using the associations they belong to. I assume they do this because it will increase the bottom line.
None of them have done this voluntarily. I have yet to run into a smoker other than a cigar or pipe smoker that asked those around them if it was okay to smoke. Upon seeing no "no smoking sign", they light up with no regard to those around them. The surprise is they are upset when nonsmokers find ways to get more no smoking signs posted.
No R-rated movies? Would they still have the NC-17 pay per views?
Ask them. The trend is that the larger hospitality companies are pressuring local gov'ts to enact smoking bans using the associations they belong to.
Can you point me to that information? I have only seen the hospitality industry try to force this, when state bans are forced on them by health groups. Marriott stated this was their decision, just as Westin did. Considering that there are still thousands of hotels not choosing this blanket policy, it's obviously a private business decision. According to you, by Marriott trying to force it on others, they must not really feel it's a good decision. Social engineering can be hazardous to a business, unless everyone plays. Most hotels are smart enough not to interfere in peoples private conduct. Especially with what they charge. Unless, they want to go out of business.
Don't take my word for it (even though the smoker list despises me, they know I'm truthful). Ask them.
If their cleaning cost was so high in smokers rooms, why do they care about losing them to someone else?
Businesses have no feelings, they operate for profit. Forcing the other guy to have to go nonsmoking is simply a profitable move to make after deciding to go with nonsmoking policy.
I ready your posts. The answer is I don't. You are the opposite of what I have cautioned other smokers to be. You laughed at poeple smoking in non-smoking rooms. You see, you are the kind of rude person my lengthy posts speak of. YOU are the one responsible for the "militancy" of anti-smokers that you rail against.
Repeating my statements back to me does not hide that fact, rather it makes you look like a 5 year old putting his fingers in his ears and saying "I am rubber and you are glue...."
By your own statement, you are a real class act yourself. It is clear from your willingness to continue blowing smoke into the faces of others.
I DON'T draw first blood. What makes us different is that I spit tobacco on people who choose FIRST to rudely blow their smoke in my face when standing right next to me.
It is clear from your comments on this thread that YOU are the type of person willing to bring that upon yourself because in your own narcissistic little mind, you have every right to do it. In you non-smoking hotel room post, you demonstrate a sadistic pleasure in doing it. THAT is the true definition of a sarcastic "class act."
It is rather obvious from your reply to me that this is too deep for you.
You nailed it! Its the price of cigarettes, not the whiners. But much to the whiners dismay, the gov will stop before they totally irradicate smoking. They really want that tax money.
You are so full of excrement. I know of very very few people who don't ask. Maybe you deLIBerately stand in smoking areas and then complain when smokers light up. That is the method alot of antismoking nazis use to get management to ban smoking.
Maybe if antismokers didn't take such pleasure in getting smoking banned everywhere, maybe I wouldn't take such pleasure in thwarting them. You need to get a life.
You don't even know me yet you persist in telling me who and what I am. I have fully conformed to you and gov's silly rules, but I am getting tired of it. Really tired of nannystaters and government telling me what I can and can't do in a free country. Have you ever considered the jobs people like you have cost America? I bet it is in the millions now. Not to mention the tax revenue. These were not low paying jobs either. Let me tell you what political correctness has cost our little town. We are small, around 35,000 people in the whole county. Our job market has suffered terribly with NAFTA. What jobs we had here were precious. We had a recycling plant which employed around 100 people. The neighbors with "sensitive noses" complained of the smell so the city board, pandering as usual, told them, the company, they would have to move. They did. To another city. Then a tire recycling company wanted to move into the building and bring 150 jobs and then the same company was going to open another place which would employ 500 more people. But the city board said no. Its not zoned for recycling and we refuse to change. Then there were plans to build a big shopping mall employing around 1,000 people. But no, the construction in a mainly residential area would be too noisy. See where I am going? Our unemployment rate would have been literally zero if all this appeasing hadn't taken place. But its ok if you don't mind paying taxes to keep all these unemployed people on the government rolls.
I only know you from your posts. What I see in your posts is a lot of anger, and perhaps that has caused you to portray yourself in a way that is not generally consistent with your true self. Anonymous forums can do that too.
Becky, I agree with you on the majority of your complaints in the diatribe above, even if it has perhaps strayed from the topic a little.
All I ask of fellow nicotine addicts is that they remain conscientious of their impact on others and remain polite and civil when indulging in their habits.
The overwhelming majority of non-smokers are not "out to get you." But they will turn, if not treated wth respect.
It takes a lot to move a populace. The fact that they have turned on smokers should say something.
Just don't contribute to people's willingness to turn to the government for a "polite" (i.e. controlled) society.
I have yet to run into a smoker other than a cigar or pipe smoker that asked those around them if it was okay to smoke.
So, you don't care about SHS, you just want smokers to ask the school marm for permission? Do you ask permission to spew your car exhaust in others faces?
Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of them are.
It takes a lot to move a populace. The fact that they have turned on smokers should say something.
A few people with a constant drumbeat can do it.
Yes, a little off topic, but I was trying to show just what is involved with political correctness and how it affects peoples lives.
I am simply trying to explain why folks hate smokers
Said it all, Ray. Keep talking.
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