Posted on 07/18/2006 4:40:15 PM PDT by ChessMan
The State Department said Monday that it will ask Americans to pay for rides out of Lebanon that include chartered vessels.
"What we have to do in a situation like this is, we have to go out on an emergency basis and rent vessels," Burns said. "That's what we're trying to do ... We do that on behalf of American citizens. We're not quite sure how many of these Americans will come out."
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi objected to billing evacuees.
"A nation that can provide more than $300 billion for a war in Iraq can provide the money to get its people out of Lebanon," Pelosi said in a statement.
1. If you are there on vacation or business, then you would pay to get youself out anyway.
2. If you live there and have American citizenship and wanted to leave at anytime, then you would have to pay your way out.
Quit crying, buck up, sign the note and get out, or stay.
To me it's simple. Those who choose to live in Lebanon know the risk and they should pay for their evacuation, not me.
I agree with this, but I do not think that they should have to pay any more than what SATO would charge a service member for transportation for the same trip distance.
I don't believe there are thousands of Americans in Lebanon. I think there are thousands of Lebanese who happen to hold US passports and spend time in this country, but in their hearts they remain Lebanese and not American. They are lucky US Marines are coming to save their butts, and they can pay for it.
Here's the travel advisory for Hizbollahstan... My gut tells me this is a good deal since they don't have to pay the operating costs of the Battle Group coming for them.
The State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs issued the following updated Travel Warning on May 2, 2006:
This Travel Warning updates information on threats to American citizens and interests in Lebanon. It supersedes the Travel Warning for Lebanon issued November 7, 2005.
The Department of State urges U.S. citizens to carefully weigh the necessity of their travel to Lebanon in light of the risks noted below. U.S. citizens in Lebanon are encouraged to register with the U.S. Embassy in Beirut where they may also obtain updated information on travel and security in Lebanon. See registration details below.
Recent events in Lebanon underscore the need for caution and sound personal security precautions. Former Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri was assassinated on February 14, 2005 in a car bomb attack in which at least 22 other people were killed and many others seriously wounded; the potential for violence remains. Since March 2005, there have been 13 separate bombings in Lebanon, resulting in the deaths of at least 11 people and injuries to more than 100 others.
Historically, Americans have been the targets of numerous terrorist attacks in Lebanon. The perpetrators of many of these attacks are still present and retain the ability to act. American citizens should thus keep a low profile, varying times and routes for all required travel. Americans should also pay close attention to their personal security at locations where Westerners are generally known to congregate, and should avoid demonstrations and large gatherings.
In January 2006, Lebanese authorities arrested suspected members of an al-Qaeda group in Beirut. The presence of al-Qaeda in Lebanon raises the potential threat to U.S. citizens and interests.
In February 2006, demonstrations against newspaper cartoons that satirized the Prophet resulted in damage to the building housing the Danish consulate, as well as surrounding homes, commercial enterprises, a church, and vehicles.
The U.S. Government considers the potential threat to U.S. Government personnel assigned to Beirut sufficiently serious to require them to live and work under a strict security regime. This limits, and may occasionally prevent, the movement of U.S. Embassy officials in certain areas of the country. These factors, plus limited staffing, may hinder timely assistance to Americans in Lebanon. Unofficial travel to Lebanon by U.S. Government employees and their family members requires prior approval by the Department of State.
U.S. citizens who travel to Lebanon despite this Travel Warning should exercise heightened caution when traveling in parts of the southern suburbs of Beirut, portions of the Bekaa Valley and South Lebanon, and the cities of Sidon and Tripoli. Hizballah has not been disarmed, it maintains a strong presence in many of these areas, and there is the potential for action by other extremist groups in Tripoli.
American air carriers are prohibited from using Beirut International Airport (BIA) due to continuing concern about airport and aircraft security arrangements. For similar reasons, the Lebanese carrier Middle East Airlines (MEA) is not permitted to operate service into the United States. Official U.S. government travelers exercise additional security measures when using Beirut International Airport.
Palestinian groups hostile to both the Lebanese government and the U.S. operate largely autonomously inside refugee camps in different areas of the country. Intra-communal violence within the camps has resulted in violent incidents such as shootings and explosions. Occasionally this violence spills over into neighboring cities and towns. Travel by U.S. citizens to Palestinian camps should be avoided. Asbat al-Ansar, a terrorist group with apparent links to al-Qaeda, has targeted Lebanese, U.S. and other foreign government interests. It has been outlawed by the Lebanese government but continues to maintain a presence in the Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp.
Dangers posed by landmines and unexploded ordnance throughout south Lebanon are significant and also exist in other areas where civil war fighting was intense. Travelers should be aware of posted landmine warnings and strictly avoid all areas where landmines and unexploded ordnance may be present. Tensions remain in Lebanon's southern border with the possibility of Hizballah and Palestinian militant activity at any time.
The Embassy is located in Awkar, near Antelias, Beirut, Lebanon. Public access hours for American citizens are Monday through Thursday, 8:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. However, American citizens who require emergency services outside of these hours may contact the Embassy by telephone at any time. The telephone numbers are (961-4) 542-600, 543-600, and fax 544-209. American citizens may register with the Embassy online by visiting https://travelregistration
My take would be if the State Department had travel warnings to this destination, then yes, they should pay for their extrication. Having traveled to Nicaragua and other assorted "less than nice places" with my work, I never expected the US government to come after me if things went bad. I went there to make big bucks and I knew the risks going in.....
We have the same sort of thing here in Arizona... different circumstances, but Every monsoon season, washes fill with rushing water, Then stupid people try to drive through them and get stranded, making rescuers risk life and limb to pull their stupid ass out... but finally a few years back, they started charging people actual costs of rescuing them... I think they even called it the idiot law or something like that.
Well maybe not thousands of Americans, but quite a few I am sure... Anybody heard from our FReeper friend that was stuck there?? I cant seem to find the thread he started a few days ago.
But what about Dingle-Norwood?
Wow. What a difference two days can make. I posted on FR the same opinion as most of you here and, well, they called me xenophobic. LOL
Jounnieh (sp?) a few miles north of Beirut is a popular vacation destination with a thriving nightlife of clubs and discos.
Before Hezbollah became a presence, Lebanon had a reputation of sorts as the "Las Vegas" of the Middle East. This is an atmosphere it would like to reclaim and crushing Hezbollah will do a lot to achieve this goal.
Are you sure?
I've met lots of Lebanese...only one of whom was Muslim (and yeah, he in particular was a nutcase). Most I've met are fairly devout Christians.
A service member? These people chose to live there. I don't understand how anyone can argue I should pay for it.
When I travelled overseas they wouldn't help me leave until they were darn good and ready.
Of course that could have something to do with the contract I signed and the uniform I wore... Maybe? :)
I dunno. I was a civilian contractor, and only had to stand in line to get a visa stamped. You guys never needed that, but had to stand in line for EVERYTHING else ~:0)
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