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Germany pays €170m advance on submarines for Israel
Globes Online,Israel ^ | 18 Jul 06 19:23 | Amnon Barzilai

Posted on 07/18/2006 11:13:48 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Germany pays €170m advance on submarines for Israel

The payment will be transferred to HDW shipyards in Baltic port of Kiel in a few days.

Amnon Barzilai 18 Jul 06 19:23

The German government will pay a €170 million advance payment to begin construction of two Dolphin II class submarines for the Israel Navy. The payment will be transferred to Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) shipyards in the Baltic port of Kiel in a few days. When the advance is paid, the agreement between the Israeli and German governments for construction of the two submarines for €2 billion will come into effect. Under the agreement, Germany will finance one-third of the deal, and Israel will pay the rest over a ten-year period. This means that half the amount will be paid to Germany long after the submarines enter service. The first submarine will be delivered in six years, and the second a year later.

The two Dolphin II class submarines are improved versions of the three Dolphin I class submarines, which are already in service with the Israel Navy. The Dolphin II is ten meters longer and 500 tons heavier than the Dolphin I, and will displace 2,000 tons. The changes are designed to extend consider the length of time the Dolphin II can stay underwater.

The Dolphin II’s armament will include long-range missiles. Reports in the foreign press, which have not been confirmed by Israel, claim that the Israel Navy’s submarines are part of Israel’s strategic array, and, if necessary, can deliver a pre-emptive strike in the event of a threatened nuclear attack on Israel.

In the late 1990s, the Israel Navy put in service three Dolphin I submarines, which HDW built over the preceding decade. However, the Navy concluded that, on the basis of threat scenarios and outlines of a future war, it needed two more submarines. The decision was based on the working assumption that at least one submarine would always be undergoing maintenance and repair, while the others would defend the country’s seaboard from Syria in the north to Egypt in the south.

Three years ago, the Ministry of Defense entered into negotiations with Germany’s Ministry of Defense to examine the possibility of building two more submarines. The main clauses in the agreement were completed a few months ago. The two countries agreed, among other things, that all the submarines’ combat and combat support systems considered force multipliers would be built by Israeli defense contractors. The cost of the Israeli-built systems will amount to 15-20% of the submarines’ total cost.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; dolphin; dolphin2; dolphinclass; germany; hdw; idf; israel; ssk; submarine
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1 posted on 07/18/2006 11:13:52 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: spetznaz; gafusa; GSlob; Paleo Conservative; Oztrich Boy; Tommyjo; Gengis Khan; CarrotAndStick; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/18/2006 11:14:59 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

EXCELLENT! Good job Germany!


3 posted on 07/18/2006 11:15:47 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Democrats, TAX,SPEND,APPEASEMENT and TREASON..is not a winning platform.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

You might find this intresting


4 posted on 07/18/2006 11:16:16 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Democrats, TAX,SPEND,APPEASEMENT and TREASON..is not a winning platform.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

wonderful news.


5 posted on 07/18/2006 11:17:36 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The decision was based on the working assumption that at least one submarine would always be undergoing maintenance and repair, while the others would defend the country’s seaboard from Syria in the north to Egypt in the south.
I wonder where the existing Israeli submarines are now. Somewhere deep beneath the Gulf, quietly targeting Iran, perhaps? Who knows.
6 posted on 07/18/2006 11:18:36 AM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: MNJohnnie; Atlantic Bridge

From specs available in open literature about the Type-214 class,this new Dolphin-2 class is heavier by about 200 tonnes or more.Could be interesting about how different this is from the earlier Dolphins & the Type-212/214s.My uneducated guess is that these new Israeli boats will be the most advanced SSKs in the world when they hit the water!!


7 posted on 07/18/2006 11:19:03 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Do these subs come with an ipod?


8 posted on 07/18/2006 11:21:51 AM PDT by zarf (Italian Kid: My father can beat up your father! Jewish Kid: Big deal, so can my mother!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
There's a good line from the movie U-571: "Those krauts sure know how to build a boat."

Let's hope for Israel's sake that they haven't forgotten.

9 posted on 07/18/2006 11:26:54 AM PDT by Theoden (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum)
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To: Asclepius

The other morning fox news showed footage of an Israeli sub on the surface off Lebanon.
Just letting the merchies know to move along.


10 posted on 07/18/2006 12:11:14 PM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Theoden

If recent SSKs deals are anything to go by,the Germans have certainly not forgotten.They have won the vast majority of orders from folks as far South Korea to Greece to Portugal in addition to extending technical help to Brazil & also buying the Swedish manufacturer Kockums.

French & Russian subs come a distant second.


11 posted on 07/18/2006 12:21:32 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They should overhaul the old subs if they are good working order after the new subs arrive.


12 posted on 07/18/2006 12:34:46 PM PDT by thebaron512
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To: thebaron512

Israel's 3 Dolphin class boats are less than 10 years old.They won't need an update for atleast another 5 years which would probably be installation of an AIP systems & improved electronics.Their Gal class boats are being booted out,though.


13 posted on 07/18/2006 12:36:43 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki; Jeff Head
Will these subs use conventional diesel electric engines, or will they have that new hydrogen system the Germans developed a few years ago that is supposed to be so quiet and allows the subs to operate without snorkeling?
14 posted on 07/18/2006 12:45:05 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I see storms on the horizon.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Das Jewboat!


15 posted on 07/18/2006 12:45:42 PM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Theoden

About the only remotely accurate item in that cess-pool of a movie ;)


16 posted on 07/18/2006 12:48:51 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Israeli U-boats? Well, I suppose if you want the best....


17 posted on 07/18/2006 12:52:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Axlrose

It really stank, didn't it?


18 posted on 07/18/2006 12:54:03 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Stonewall Jackson

They will feature both-which makes very good sense & explains the increase in length & displacement for this new Dolphin-2 class.The Siemens fuel cell based AIP has very high endurance(over 20 days or so) & is very quiet,but cannot be used at high speeds,which explains the need for the D/E arrangement.

http://www.industry.siemens.de/data/presse/docs/m1-isfb07033403e.pdf?


19 posted on 07/18/2006 12:56:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Stonewall Jackson

They will feature both-which makes very good sense & explains the increase in length & displacement for this new Dolphin-2 class.The Siemens fuel cell based AIP has very high endurance(over 20 days or so) & is very quiet,but cannot be used at high speeds,which explains the need for the D/E arrangement.

http://www.industry.siemens.de/data/presse/docs/m1-isfb07033403e.pdf?


20 posted on 07/18/2006 12:56:37 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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