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Is a Nissan-Renault plan good for GM?
MSNBC ^ | July 7, 2006 | Roland Jones

Posted on 07/17/2006 5:57:40 AM PDT by JamesP81

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To: JamesP81

The current CEO of Nissan is also the CEO of Renault. He draws two salaries and hops around from one company to the other. He has turned Nissan around to profitability and has Renaut on the same track. He is described as having boundless energy and near genius for getting good things accomplished.

There was a very long article in Forbes detailing his actions and accomplishments.

Krekorian knows this and is hoping some of the magic might rub off on the stodgy management at GM.


101 posted on 07/18/2006 6:30:00 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: SMM48

Case in point:

Forbes putting out a video clip discussing the "worst american cars". The criteria were very fair - several categories based on objective criteria, such as safety features, mpg, depreciation, worst emissions, etc.

The problem is that there was no "worst foreign cars" segment - and many of those categories would have been dead heats if you had foreign cars included. The lack of this and the singling out of american cars only perpetuates perceptions...

And since when did poor resale value make a car a bad car? If you care about saving money, you keep the car until its wheels fall off.

The *AVERAGE* car will last 14 years. Most Ford vehicles are average, according to Consumer Reports (so was the Camry until recently, btw). Who cares what the value is after 3 years if it lasts 14? Or if you buy used, and you get it after 3 years and it lasts 14, the higher the depreciation during those 3 years, the better. Sometimes that is an indicator of poor quality, sometimes it isn't. Forbes dinged the Crown Vic for depreciation. Of course, it is also one of the most reliable vehicles on the market (they've had plenty of practice) and one of the safest. That makes it a great used car deal...


102 posted on 07/18/2006 6:41:23 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
Forbes dinged the Crown Vic for depreciation. Of course, it is also one of the most reliable vehicles on the market (they've had plenty of practice) and one of the safest. That makes it a great used car deal...

I'm not particularly a Ford fan for various reasons including parts cost and, yes, reliability over the long term. However, to be fair, I drove a Mercury Grand Marquis to Huntsville, AL for my job once and I'll have to say it was a pretty good road trip machine. It had a lot of body roll in tight turns, which I didn't like, but it was sinfully comfortable and it was fast. That horsepower was essential when I was going through the interchanges in Nashville, TN where everyone drives at least 25 over the limit.
103 posted on 07/18/2006 6:45:34 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: JamesP81

Ha! Only 25 over? I've tried driving through Detroit before - I'd swear some radio DJ's must have been screaming "GREEN! GREEN! GREEN!" over the radio.

I felt safer and more in control doing 110 down the Autobahn. :)


104 posted on 07/18/2006 7:14:31 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005

You haven't lived until you've experienced a bumper to bumper traffic jam moving at 90 mph.


105 posted on 07/18/2006 7:18:55 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: nyconse
I don't know what you actually believe versus what you are saying, but I've followed the Big Three and Delphi and Visteon for too long to believe what you're saying.

Cost of employment has nothing to do with what a worker sees in his paycheck-it's what it costs to employ workers. That includes vacation, pensions, and medical for current employees, as well as retirees. You can assert that it's not about unions, and that "major" companies are no longer providing health care, pensions, etc. The reporting on the auto industry over the past year, much less the past 30 years, contradicts that.

What's more, don't get me started on work rules...DCX is basing the location on their new engine plant, not on taxes, incentives, etc., but work rules.

Say/believe what you want, but don't expect anyone else to go along on your fantasy.

106 posted on 07/18/2006 7:40:00 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: eraser2005
You do realize that the list you provide a link to is a list combining sales and domestic content, right? It isn't purely domestic content.

Eligible models must have a domestic-parts-content rating of 75 percent or more, the minimum federal standard for a car to be labeled domestic.

107 posted on 07/18/2006 7:47:14 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JamesP81
You haven't lived until you've experienced a bumper to bumper traffic jam moving at 90 mph.

Wasn't the commute into Detroit great? You'd see that sea of brake lights light-up all at once and your first reaction was to check your rearview mirror and the second was to check the shoulder for an escape route. Or was it the other way around? I don't remember.

108 posted on 07/18/2006 7:51:51 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: nyconse
Whats more, the Japanese market is incredibly competitive. Companies such as Honda and Toyota make the great majority of their profits in the US market. In Japan, health care is 'paid for' by the government. However, the transplants provide medical and they are very, very profitable.

I don't want to paint with a broad brush. I would hate to be in middle management at any of the Big Three. Ultimately it's the organizational structure and processes that determine how productive any given employee is...and it's a joke.

Same applies for the plants. The big advantage the transplants have? Work rules. Their profitability is directly tied to the absence of the UAW.

The prez of the UAW gave an interview last week...he said there would probably be a strike at Delphi. From his point of view, the UAW had bent over backward by allowing Delphi and GM to buy out ~~40,000 employees. He says that should take care of any cost issues for GM, but especially for Delphi.

They live on another planet where insanity is rewarded. That planet will blow up very soon.

109 posted on 07/18/2006 7:53:03 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Yes, they must have ratings of 75% or more - but they combined the content with sales for that list. It isn't a list based on domestic content only. In other words, those aren't the "10 most domestic models".


110 posted on 07/18/2006 8:15:53 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005

It's a list of the best-selling vehicles with a domestic-content of 75% or more, yes.


111 posted on 07/18/2006 8:22:20 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: gogeo
Speaking of work rules, you might find this interesting:

Ford Plant retools work rules - 7/06/06 - The Detroit News

The new rules passed overwhelmingly - a 944 to 95 vote. Note that the retooled Ford plants (the ones with new tooling) are also significantly more productive according to the Harbour Report. Add these sorts of changes in, and they should be competitive with the best transplants on productivity.

The new health care deal approved by the judge the other day helps as well (that alone should eventually cut their per-vehicle losses in the US nearly in half).

And now Mark Fields has said that there will be new vehicles coming in 07 that they haven't been discussing publicly. (he's a pretty straight shooter, so while they may not be "WOW" models, I would pay attention to what he says)

And the new longer warranty (5 year zero-deductible powertrain with 5 year roadside assistance on all 2007s, retroactively, and basically the same with a $100 deductible on all 2006s sold after July 14) should help as well....
112 posted on 07/18/2006 8:30:47 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: eraser2005
Good stuff.

Short term Ford will have to deal with the change in the market for F150s and Explorers, both high-volume models. Long term, I don't think we're looking at $3/gal gasoline. It's tough to justify revamping an entire model line to address a short term issue.

Long term Ford will have to profitably build cars here, and improve the mileage of existing SUVs and trucks. Hopefully revamping contracts and plants will make that possible.

Ford may be a good speculative investment.

113 posted on 07/18/2006 8:59:18 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: gogeo

"Ford may be a good speculative investment."

That's what I thought with Mark Fields in charge and the news that has come out.

But I don't have the spare cash out there to play in the stock market outside of retirement accounts (limited choices) and very safe investments. But they are lining themselves up to be a decent speculative choice....


114 posted on 07/18/2006 10:26:50 AM PDT by eraser2005
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To: gogeo

They had a job fair at Delphi...jobs between $12.00 and $15.00 per hour and no benefits. My husband told me thousands of Delphi workers showed up. I am sick and tired of hearing about the union. My husband is management. The union guys made a good salary but no where near what is popularly believed. Also, Assembly plant work is complicated these days-computers etc. Many of the guys are educated. I don't know why some on this board hate union workers who are just trying to take care of their families. They are Americans too and have been given a raw deal especially at Delphi. For all of you, it could happen to you also. Delphi was bought out. It could happen to any of us. In the long run paying people garbage money and not providing benefits will lead to more social programs such as socialized medicine. One of the strengths of our country has always been the middle class. We could afford to buy the products we manufactured. The unions - in their day - made this possible. They fought for better pay and benefits. Granted, they got a little greedy as time went on. However, look at CEO salaries. They are incredibly overpayed. Do we want to return to the sweat shops of by gone days? I say no. It is interesting to me to find out that some conservatives hate American business every bit as much as liberals do. Of course liberals know that before the socialized hell that America will become if these trends continue can not happen unless American business is destroyed.


115 posted on 07/19/2006 2:26:10 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: JamesP81
As long as the dollar remains overvalued we will continue to export manufacturing and jobs.

The good news is that we are importing deflation.


BUMP

116 posted on 07/19/2006 2:38:41 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: nyconse
I've followed your postings on several threads and I've concluded you are not rational.

Good luck.

117 posted on 07/19/2006 4:55:04 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: JamesP81

There has been talk that Toyota may also be interested in G.M., but have hesitated since it is not clear that Toyota management can see how to make the two corporations fit together.


118 posted on 07/19/2006 5:06:15 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: nyconse
The union guys made a good salary but no where near what is popularly believed.

Maybe so. Then again, I think most people here are concerned about the UAW in general, and not just Delphi.

They fought for better pay and benefits. Granted, they got a little greedy as time went on. However, look at CEO salaries. They are incredibly overpayed.

Indeed, the Unions did us a service in their day. But like many organizations, once they accomplished their overall goal, they continued to justify their actions long after they weren't needed. It's like how the feminists went from a philosophy of equality to female superiority. Unions should still be around, I think, but they need to understand that you can't take all the corporation's money and expect it to not outsource your job.

As for CEOs, it doesn't bother me that they make as much as they do. Between dealing with all the middle management of the company, creating new product, managing profit, dealing with the public, lawsuits, laws, regulations...ugh. I wouldn't do it for less than a couple million dollars a year either. In fact, some of those guys do it for far less than I would. My financial situation right now could be classified as either very low middle class or perhaps on the high end of poor. However, a mere 250k / year is not enough money for me to be CEO of a corporation like that. Truthfully, most corporations in this world don't have enough money to get me to be their CEO. It ain't worth it.
119 posted on 07/19/2006 5:45:47 AM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: gogeo

I guess rational...is defined as agreeing with you. My husband works for GM as an engineer. I have seen first hand the abuses from foreign competitors. There is a 'free market' but it is not a fair market. The deck is heavily stacked against US companies. My position is simple. I do not believe it is in America's best interest to allow our manufacturing to be destroyed in the name of globalism. We are the only country that offers our Corporations no form of protection against foreign competitors. Our markets are wide open to all, but their market are not open to us. I have nothing against globalism, but everyone must play by the rules not just American companies.


120 posted on 07/19/2006 8:03:09 AM PDT by nyconse
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