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AMLO's Offers to Accept Recount Result at Massive Rally Today in Mexico City (Translation)
eluniversal.com.mx ^ | July 16, 2006 | eluniversal.com.mx ( translated by self )

Posted on 07/16/2006 3:07:23 PM PDT by StJacques

AMLO calls for a working day of peaceful civil resistance(Translation)

The presidential candidate of the For the Good of All coalition exhorted thousands of followers brought together in [Mexico City's] Zócalo capitol plaza to "defend democracy."

Andrés Manuel López Obrador headed a march of hundreds of thousands of his sympathizers who overwhelmed the streets of the center of Mexico City to demand a recount of each vote cast in the July 2 presidential elections and which, in his opinion, would permit [everyone] to ascertain that he won the fight and not his conservative rival.

"We are going to start, to defend democracy, peaceful civil resistance," the flag-bearer of the Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD) said before his followers brought together in the Zócalo, the principal public plaza of the capital.

Sympathizers and supporters dressed for the most part in yellow, the color of the PRD, walked several kilometers between shouts of "vote by vote, casilla1 by casilla," and with placards above them reading "No to the . . . (cursed) fraud."

The police in the capitol, where the PRD governs, asserted that more than 900,000 people2 showed up, which would make this the largest demonstration held in Mexico City.

In a march against insecurity [due to crime] carried out in 2004, it was calculated that some 500,000 people participated, until then one of the largest demonstrations.

López Obrador has asserted that fraud was committed to give the triumph to Felipe Calderón of the National Action Party (PAN), who in the final count held four days after the elections obtained first place with an advantage of 243,934 votes or .58 percentage points.

"If after the recount (López Obrador) has lost, then we should recognize it," asserted Catalina González, a retired woman of 67 years, who strode some hundreds of meters in front of the leftist accompanied by her 28 year old son.

The PRD, which competed in the elections within a two party alliance named the For the Good of All coalition, challenged the results of the elections when they asked the Federal Electoral Tribunal to recount every one of the 41.7 million votes that were cast.

The leftist asserted Friday that if the recount is made he will hold off the social demonstrations he has summoned, even if the result does not favor him as occurred in the official count.

PAN has also challenged the election with the intention of amplifying Calderón's margin [of victory].

The future of the election is in the hands of the tribunal which began its analysis [of the results] last Saturday and must resolve the challenges no later than the 31 of August to announce a president-elect no farther than the 6th of September.

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Translator's Notes:

1The casillas are the "electoral packets" of the ballots cast in each precinct that are crated and sealed after the count is certified by on-site representatives of all the major parties and which are not supposed to be opened for a recount by the election officials unless irregularities are detected, though they can be opened to retrieve documents necessary for official reports.

2I regard the figure of 900,000 people in attendance as highly suspect. On Saturday July 8th the Mexico City and Federal District authorities, who are controlled by AMLO's PRD, estimated turnout at the demonstration that day at 280,000 while western media said anywhere from 100,000 to 150,000. I heard one report today that said "perhaps over 250,000 people." I have no accurate figures to give today, I just mention that I do not trust the official estimate.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; amlo; demonstration; election; lopezobrador; mexelectrans; mexico; mexicocity; pan; prd; stjtranslation; tooclosetocall
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This is the translation of AMLO's principal speech today. This demonstration has been the main focus of activity and clearly the PRD has pulled out all the stops to boost attendance. They are banking a lot on the impact of this day's activities.

If you will read carefully you will note that AMLO's tone has changed a bit. He is no longer ranting "we won the election and we won't stop until our victory is recognized." He is now saying that "if they hold the recount, I'll call off the demonstrations and if I don't win the recount, that will be the end of it." We'll see.
1 posted on 07/16/2006 3:07:24 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: conservative in nyc; CedarDave; Pikachu_Dad; BunnySlippers; machogirl; NinoFan; chilepepper; ...
A Mexican post-election ping for you all.

Anyone wishing to bring up all of the translations I have posted on the post-election controversy in Mexico may do so using the "keyword" search option in the forum with the unique keyword -- STJTRANSLATION
2 posted on 07/16/2006 3:08:56 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques
DUmmies are creaming their Depends, it must sould a lot like 2000...2004...
3 posted on 07/16/2006 3:27:04 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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To: StJacques
" . . . an advantage of 243,934 votes."

O: 'Did'ja catch that, Vinnie?'
Vinnie: 'No problo. The Tony Express is on the way!'

4 posted on 07/16/2006 3:31:30 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: StJacques

Thank you once again. With first North Korea and now the Middle East dominating the press, the election and its aftermath have dropped off the screen. Your posts are all that I have heard of Obergore's ongoing challenge of the results.


5 posted on 07/16/2006 3:43:56 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: CedarDave
Yeah, it's a bit under the radar right now.

But I am of the definite opinion that public opinion in Mexico is slowly moving in Calderon's direction. Forget the numbers of today's demonstration -- whatever they really are. The Tribunal is moving with deliberation and that does not bode well for AMLO. I expect there will be some recounts in response to some of the challenges AMLO has brought before the Tribunal. But there will also be some in response to Calderon's challenges (these are on a casilla by casilla basis). But in the end there will be no nationwide recount.
6 posted on 07/16/2006 3:49:37 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques

7 posted on 07/16/2006 3:53:05 PM PDT by byteback
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To: StJacques

Of course, if even selective recounts are performed with any increase in AMLO votes, no matter how small, he will use those to press for a full recount. This is the equivalent of the the door being pushed slightly ajar which makes it much easier to push all the open later. I expect he will shift his rhetoric in this area if any recounts are granted.


8 posted on 07/16/2006 3:55:37 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: StJacques

Of course, if even selective recounts are performed with any increase in AMLO votes, no matter how small, he will use those to press for a full recount. This is the equivalent of the the door being pushed slightly ajar which makes it much easier to push all the way open later. I expect he will shift his rhetoric in this area if any recounts are granted.


9 posted on 07/16/2006 3:56:07 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: StJacques
Two recent articles on the results of the election:

Uncertainty tests nation´s democracy (March in Mexico City has begun)

Most Mexicans don't want vote recount - poll

10 posted on 07/16/2006 4:02:08 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: CedarDave

Hmmm double post. Sorry. Happens sometimes I guess.


11 posted on 07/16/2006 4:04:52 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a family cries, a protester gloats, an Iraqi votes)
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To: StJacques

Well I doubt the 900k figure more like 300k.

I am suprised no one posted the Reforma poll which said 60% of Mexicans did not favor a vote by vote recount while 37% did.


It also said that Calderon would win 47% to 36% if a second round were held.The rest would abstain or refused to answer.

The head of the largest union in Latina America, the Mexican Teachers Union, has said it will not participate in any of AMLO's mobilization.

In addition, the president of the teachers union, Sra Gordillo said she has called Calderon to congratulate him on his victory and when interviewed by the national news she said her internal exit poll showed Calderon the winner.

Sra Gordillo was just kicked out of the PRI and started her own party Nueva Alianza. They have recognized Calderon's victory.Obviously their #1 legislative priority is the education budget and raising teacher's salaries but shockinly their platform is libertarian.Although they seem to stress rights to aborition and gay sex rights rather than property rights.


12 posted on 07/16/2006 4:10:28 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez
Reaganez, thank you for the information.

I did not know about the polls, except for what I read in CedarDave's post just above yours.

I have been following the Elba Esther Gordillo story however, which has been a really big deal in the Mexican press. There have been more than a few opinion columnists wondering if the PRI is going to survive.

And I haven't seen too much about Nueva Alianza, but I'll start looking.

Thanks for the info.
13 posted on 07/16/2006 4:16:09 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques
Nueva Alianza ran in this election,that is the public reason as to why Sra Gordillo was kicked out of the PRI.

NA received just over 2% in the presidential race which qualifies them for federal funding.

And off the top of my head I think they got 9 federal deputies and one Senator from proportional representation seats.
14 posted on 07/16/2006 4:30:00 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez
You can find the results at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_general_election,_2006

About halfway down the page, Nueva Alianza got 0.96% of the vote.
15 posted on 07/16/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: Reaganez

Her new party sounds like a typical leftist one.

Does Nueva Alianza hold any of the positions upon which conservatism and libertarianism tend to agree upon(right to bear arms, property rights (as you mentioned) small government, ownership society)?


16 posted on 07/16/2006 5:02:59 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: mjolnir; Reaganez
mjolnir, I went looking for something that would give everyone an idea of what Nueva Alianza stands for and they do have a web site at:

http://www.nueva-alianza.org.mx/

But I never found any statement of their basic philosophy though their emphasis upon education truly does stand out. There is no doubt that education is their number one issue.

I went looking elsewhere to see if I could find a Nueva Alianza candidate who might be willing to go on record with a statement of his or her philosophy and I did find an online article at the Diario de Mexico newspaper site in which the Nueva Alianza candidate for the Federal District Governor's job, Alberto Cinta, is interviewed. I'll put up a couple of translated paragraphs from the end of the article and state briefly that Demetrio Sodi is the PAN candidate who finished ahead of Cinta in the election, just so I don't have to footnote it:

". . . Even though he recognizes that he will not win, the flag-bearer of Nueva Alianza explained that the electoral campaign not only serves the winning of votes, but also to position a cause on the public agenda, and that is education, respect for a culture of law, the tolerance of minority groups and a greater conscience of the equity of fairness.

By the aforementioned, he indicated, he is looking for bench membership in the Chamber of Deputies.

In one of the restaurants which he owns, located in the heart of Polanco, Alberto Cinta assured that his campaign did not have an aim of winning the election; "well we tried to spread among the people a philosophy and a social vision and thereby, engaging them, and I never thought of dropping behind Demetrio Sodi."

He was asked how much the bonds of Elba Esther Gordillo with Nueva Alianza will affect things. He emphatically maintained that this political institution is not the property of any person, even though there will be bonds with the teacher's union.
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If the American PTA became a political party we would likely call them "New Alliance." That's about all I can figure. But, for the first time, they do have 9 out of a total of 500 seats in the lower house of their national congress and they are celebrating the fact that they are now seated there (the Chamber of Deputies) for the first time. They have the banner headline up "we have consolidated ourselves as a parliamentary force" up on their web site. From their perspective, this election campaign was a win for them.
17 posted on 07/16/2006 6:52:43 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: Shuttle Shucker

Mexiping


18 posted on 07/16/2006 8:07:01 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: StJacques

Desperation?
I read that 60% of mexicans polled think a recount is unnecessary. The same 37% that supported him already want a recount but it does not matter if they show up and demonstrate or not... will anyone be intimidated by a demonstration when the majority is not with them?


19 posted on 07/16/2006 10:14:33 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: mjolnir

"Her new party sounds like a typical leftist one.

Does Nueva Alianza hold any of the positions upon which conservatism and libertarianism tend to agree upon(right to bear arms, property rights (as you mentioned) small government, ownership society)?"

I said libertarian because on the front page they make a statement supporting a market economy and link to internatinal federation of "liberal parties" that support personal as well as economic rights.

The closest fit seemed libertarian. The right to bear Arms is an Americanism.They do say they support property rights and a market economy.


20 posted on 07/16/2006 11:44:58 PM PDT by Reaganez
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