Posted on 07/15/2006 7:49:19 PM PDT by Dqban22
I'd like to bitch slap Albert for that stupid remark if he were still around.
As if the Russian Army and the USA Troops had not a thing to do with stopping that assembly line of slaughter that the Nazis worked so hard at even up until nearly the end of the conflict.
It is interesting to realize that so many apologists for the Vatican's bad behavior abound here on this site.
Try the book "Three Popes and the Jews" by Pinchas Lapide. That would be Rabbi Pinchas Lapide, former Israeli ambassador to Italy.
Rabbi Lapide directly credits the Pope with saving 860,000 Jewish lives during the war.
Then try the book "The Myth of Hitler's Pope" by David Dalin. That would be Rabbi David Dalin. Rabbi Dalin says that Pius XII deserves the title "righteous Gentile" for his work on behalf of the Jews during the war.
Millions of people died because of their behavior while the vatican slept on their watch
On the contrary, a million lived who otherwise might have died because of what the Vatican did in their "sleep".
Those 'henchmen' of whom you speak saved tens of thousands of Jews during the Holocaust. Italian Jews survived in much greater numbers than their brothers and sisters in Eastern Europe. The Italian Army wasn't that efficient in rounding them up, so it was fairly easy to hide them at first. When the Germans arrived, it became a much more dangerous feat, but was still done by priests, nuns, and regular Catholics all over Italy. One of the Pope's men ran one of the refugee networks right out of the Vatican. For a look at some fictionalized accounts of actual events, check out the movies The Scarlet and the Black and The Assisi Underground. Pius XII spoke out forcefully against Hitler, to the point that the Swiss Guard, even while wearing their colorful Renaissance era outfits, were carrying guns to defend Vatican City and protect the Pontiff.
Pope Benedict's question was not asked because he had no clue about the answer. He was putting forth a question for the listeners to ponder. God allowed it to happen because He made us with Free Will. Some will use that free will, live their lives in accordance with God's teachings and everything will be nice and rosy. Some, however, will use that free will, reject the teachings of God, and set themselves up as gods. This is what Hitler did with his Third Reich. He considered Germany a new 'Roman Empire' and himself the new emperor. The Pope was using the question to point out the danger when we turn from God's direction; we can begin to justify almost any behavior which we might choose.
Wishfull thinking at best.
It is interesting that a few anti-Catholic bigots don't have any evidence to back up their arguments, but invoke code words to blame the Church for the Holocaust.
Do some research.
read between the lines
I guess the fact that I listened and pondered for about 2 seconds to his comments has no credence with you.
No prob,
I am used to this sort of thing!
I get ignored all of the time.
Excuse me Sir.
I have done a bit of research, sort of on my own.
I actually read the entire Bible, more than once.
Every word, more than once.
I have done some other reading as well.
I thought that we were talking about the wondrous behavior of the Vatican during the WW2 conflict.
The Vatican did as much as it could do during WWII, given the circumstances. It is chicken-s**tted revisionism to attempt to go back now and lecture men who were seeing millions go to their deaths with no way to stop the perpetrators, about what they should have said.
You are being disingenous. The historical record stands in stark contrast to your off-the-cuff emotionalism.
By the way,
I am not an anti Catholic bigot.
Many of the people in my life are devout Catholics.
You know, mother, father(deceased now), siblings, friends....
I was raised in that faith, and then one day I decided to actually read a few things for myself.
Please, stop with the anti Catholic baiting stuff.....
I read a lot more than most.
Really?
You are delusional!
That is my opinion!
Please, stop with the anti Catholic baiting stuff.....
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you were anti-Catholic.
In which case, if you're not, you must be galactically stupid. The historical record is clear, as is the testimony of thousands of Jews after WWII about what the Catholic Church did.
I am wicked dumb, but I do like to have fun.
It is nice to see people stand up for their principles.
Good night Sir!
Good night.
There! See? I knew sooner or later I'd agree with Sink about sumpn!
I'm glad to hear what the Catholic Church did, I had always had the impression they stood idly by due to the Vaticans' precarious position in occupied Europe.
But I am inclined to heed the words of the Jews including a brilliant man like Albert Einstein.
Thanks.....
Read the book, "The Myth of Hitler's Pope." It will clarify for you just how instrumental Pius XII was in saving thousands of Jews from Hitler.
Great post!
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