Posted on 07/15/2006 8:15:40 AM PDT by george76
The IOWAs could have been damaged IF they'd been hit. Not only can they take damage much better but they should also be able to defend themselves better. How many CIWS would fit on an Iowa? If the system is really flawed (rapid and accurate analysis is essential here!) than more wouldn't help, but if the system is just not quite as good as expected then multiple guns would provide much better odds. And their longer stand off range gives you a much longer time to react to an incoming threat. If you were willing to trade throw weight for range with the advanced munitions developed in the late 60s you could probably out range this missile with a similar payload multiplied by nine shells every couple minutes. Add modern GPS packages and fire control drones and the Iranian rocket crews are going to be volunteering for safer duty as suicide bombers.
"Didn' this have the Barak anti-missile system on board??"
If you read to the continuation of the article it states that this ship had a lot of sophisticated equipment on board. They did not have the defensive stuff turned on because they did not expect anything like this. Underestimate the enemy, learn the hard way. Bet it doesn't happen again.
In a linked article, I read that the Arab League voted unanimously to have the UN get involved. One delegate also indicated it was wrong for Hezbollah to do what they did, his position was supported by Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, and get this--The Palastinian Authority. Several other interesting linked articles there.
They would need escorting Burke or Ticonderoga vessels for any serious SSM threat.
They have no ASW (except helos) or AAW either, and the CISW's are only good for a few shots. After that they have to be reloaded, which is not exactly an efficient tactical reload. They couldn't handle even a mild saturation attack. The Iowa's are just too old and outdated. In a very few years, their 16" guns wont have any real value either, not with the super-long-range 155's coming out.
Those old girls were retired for a reason.
"The world waits idly by while the small staate of Israel does the world's dirty work."
I hope this is not a reprise of the Spanish Civil War in the 1930's, where Fascist Germany and Communist USSR tested out their weapons and tactics prior to WW II. Now we have the Israelis and Islamic jihad in a proxy war of the Islamic terrorists against the non-Islamic world. I just hope that Putin decides to be on the right side.
Let's get it on. It is about time we aid Israel and wipe Syria and Iran off the face of the earth.
Agreed...I was just pointing out that Burkes and Ticos would have to be committed to their defense in such an environemnt precisely because thay have no strong AAW defense.
I read it was a C-802
Serious stuff
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/c-802.htm
Yep. I wasn't disagreeing with you. Not at all. Some folks around here are always saying "bring back the battleships", but they have no idea what is involved in supporting and/or protecting them. An ancient battleship in a war zone all by herself goes the way of the Adm Belgrano.
Wise tactics for minority forces always go start small, going step by step, gradually engaging over time, but never over-reaching your capabilities or resources. First you test arms in private, then you test them sparingly in proxy engagements, working hard to mask both your involvement and actual weapon identity and remain in the distance.
The arrival of the former French exocet, then Chinese, now Iranian missles should not have been a surprise for Israel.
It is very serious...on several levels.
Second, in the past 6 months, Lebanon has apparently "welcomed" over 60,000 Iranian "tourists." Hopefully, Israel somewhat knows what these Iranians brought to Lebanon.
Third, why would the captain intentionally make his ship blind ? I do not believe this; contrary to many rumors.
and it seems that the Spear should have been positioned so that their EW's could id/respond to the land threat faster.
And why be located so close to land ? Smaller, less valuable ships could have unloaded a land operation... or the Air Force could have bombed the land targets the same or better.
Can you get that video at the link to work?
HEAD OF ARAB LEAGUE - "PEACE PROCESS HAS FAILED" Fox News
"...and Israel is methodically doing exactly what it needs to do to accomplish its objectives..."
What objectives are those?
To ensure the survival and security of the Jewish state by eliminating the homicidal organizations which cannot be negotiated with. Including homicidal leaders.
I salute Israel in this pursuit. The butchers that surround them know only strength or weakness and death. They will never stop. It is time to destroy them.
Yes, I should think they need a combination of in field intelligence, aerial surveillance, and access to U.S. satellite reports. In the past, I believe the US has moved some of its spy satellites over hot spots, and has shared information with Israel.
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