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To: Brilliant
The liberal Christians would point out that Romans was not written by Jesus or can you attribute a direct quotation in Romans to Jesus regarding homosexuality.

Granted it is a very myopic argument, but no the less, that is what they would point out.
36 posted on 07/12/2006 10:58:37 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

Yes, written by Paul. But if we're going to look only at the writings of Christ, then there are none at all. I assume that the NCC is not proposing to throw Romans out of the Bible, but then that might be a big assumption.


46 posted on 07/12/2006 11:01:56 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: taxcontrol

"The liberal Christians would point out that Romans was not written by Jesus or can you attribute a direct quotation in Romans to Jesus regarding homosexuality."

Did Jesus ever speak out against shoplifting, child molestation or perjury?

It's beyond myopic. It's completely hollow.

St Paul and St Peter build the Christian church. Any person that rejects their words and acts is rejecting core Christian faith.


66 posted on 07/12/2006 11:11:50 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: taxcontrol
Yes, the liberal "christians" do not like Paul very much. But the Jesus that I worship is explicated in the whole Bible, not just in the Gospels.

The Jesus I worship is not the same Jesus as the one that they worship. I would even go so far to say that the one they worship is a close friend and associate of "Allah", Odin, Baal, and Cernunos. That is, the devil's emissary.
82 posted on 07/12/2006 11:26:01 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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Then by their wisdom; bestiality, incest, rape, etc., etc. are OK too.
87 posted on 07/12/2006 11:28:17 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: taxcontrol
The liberal Christians would point out that Romans was not written by Jesus or can you attribute a direct quotation in Romans to Jesus regarding homosexuality. Granted it is a very myopic argument, but no the less, that is what they would point out.

They'd probably have a problem with 2 Timothy 3:16-17, then:

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.(italics mine)

(Of course, in true Clintonian fashion, they might say that it depends on what the definition of "all" is...)

And let's not forget what Paul talked about in Romans 1, that because these wicked people knew who God was, but didn't glorify Him or give thanks to Him, and didn't find it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, that "God gave them over" to a host of things, including in verses 26 and 27 of Chapter 1:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (emphases and italics mine)

Folks, the manifestation of Romans chapter 1 (the latter half, anyway) is not just part of the world - it is part of the church! Not the part that Jesus told to Peter, that "the gates of Hades would not overcome it", but the other "church". Paul predicted what's going on today...even in "churches" like the NCC, and with the, uh, Revrun Thacksunnnnnnnnnn...

I digress slightly, but when I was first taught this passage, in a non-liberal church, the passage about the wrath of God being poured out, was preceded by the good news of Romans 1:16 ("I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for all who believe...").

The pastor said that before you could fully understand the good news, we needed to know about the bad news...and in the first three chapters of Romans, there is plenty of it. In the second half of Romans 1, up to the first 20 verses of Romans 3, three groups of people were covered:

--godless wicked
--godless "good people"
--godless "religious people"

In the end, Paul declares what believers know, or should - that "no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by observing the law" (Romans 3:20). The pastor put it another way - "the law wasn't given to make us better; the law was given to show us how bad we are!"

But then two of the best words in the Bible follow: "But now". Man is deceitfully wicked, people think they are right in their own eyes, the world's gone to hell in a handbasket..."but now"...a righteousness from God, apart from the Law, has been made known, to which both the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that came from Christ Jesus." (3:21-24, italics added)

Now THAT's GREAT news!

119 posted on 07/12/2006 12:04:46 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (To exercise your first amendment rights, go to college. To defend them, join the military.)
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