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To: Dark Skies; Valin
Let me pull a clinton here. I did not make a conclusion that non-jihadi muslims don't share the dream of a world muslim caliphate. They might. I don't want to be a thought police. What matters is actions. If the only thing Hitler did is to dream about Jews annihilation and throw slurs - you know, I can live with that.

The point is - I don't care what they think. The observable fact is that for the vast majority of muslims Jihad is not in the daily lives. It is good. They sit on the fence and don't rally against jihadists. It is bad and wrong. But it is not a smart policy for us to go postal and throw nukes at them just for that. It is also counterproductive to treat 1 billion people as one and the same. We can do smarter than that.

We should be unyielding and unforgiving against jihadists/Wahhabists, and we can exercise discretion with others. On assimilation and loyalty: also very strict and firm. We better make sure that we are safe inside. It will allow us to be more flexible outside. I see nothing wrong in imposing loyalty test and deport all unassimilated from the West. Also, on the question who is a good muslim and who is a bad muslim. It is up to them to decide. But they need to be told in no uncertain terms that we will accept only one answer: a peaceful one.

BTW, there is an interesting paradox here. Our leftists-appeasers in their denial of the existence of this war, actually embolden our enemies into taking reckless steps, that CAN hurt us so much that nukes will become an option.
28 posted on 07/11/2006 6:03:10 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Again, your comment is interesting and oblique to my way of thinking...which isn't a bad thing.

You said...

The observable fact is that for the vast majority of muslims Jihad is not in the daily lives.

Of course, that is hard to disagree with except that the question arises as to how "observable" will the support for jihad be.

I certainly think we are picking nits and fine nits they are...but I repeat, where is the line to be drawn in the muslim mind. How can moderate muslims demonstrate to those of us who fear them that they seek a world in which they are tolerant and tolerated. How can we non-muslims know they are (toward us) as they ask us to be toward them...tolerant, forgiving, merciful...brotherly.

As a Christian, I do not doubt that our G-d loves muslims. Yet, as a human, I have serious doubts that the islamic allah and his followers love me and my people.

My Christian and Jewish ancestors are still pigs and monkeys in Saudi Arabia (obviously they know my Uncle Dave and Aunt Rachel)...so, obviously, the onus is not on the west.

The west doesn't harbor the religion of hate knowingly. It has snuck in unawares. The onus is on islam.

29 posted on 07/11/2006 6:53:25 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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