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To: dirtboy
I think we all know the answer to that one. In reading this guy's columns, he's a shill for the pro-open borders interests.

Tamar is a female, and you are saying that likely GOP voters are too dopey to understand the difference between the House and Senate plans, so Torrance and Lake have to dupe them into favoring the Senate bill.

I've noticed something, dirt. In the vast majority of polls which show that the American voters favor some sort of guest worker program and even citizenship, in addition to enforcement, the usual response around here is "the polls were rigged."

However, the one or two polls (both funded by organizations that oppose both legal and illegal immigration) which show a slight plurality favoring enforcement only are taken as gospel.

My take (and it is reflected in this poll) is that about a quarter of voters will be influenced by a candidate's position on immigration.

The other 75% will vote on national security and not give a second thought to immigration. Notice that, in this Torrance-Lake poll, immigration is seven out of nine in terms of issues important to likely voters.

7 posted on 07/10/2006 3:19:39 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Tamar is a female, and you are saying that likely GOP voters are too dopey to understand the difference between the House and Senate plans, so Torrance and Lake have to dupe them into favoring the Senate bill.

I clearly noted how they used favorable language for the Senate bill and negative language for the House bill, while omitting key aspects of both, to get the results they wanted. Read if for yourself, sink, and tell me that the two questions were not seriously slanted.

In the vast majority of polls which show that the American voters favor some sort of guest worker program and even citizenship, in addition to enforcement, the usual response around here is "the polls were rigged."

Which careful analysis usually indicates. Like what I did here.

However, the one or two polls (both funded by organizations that oppose both legal and illegal immigration) which show a slight plurality favoring enforcement only are taken as gospel.

I take those with a grain of salt as well. But a poll cited by NRO, which is pretty centrist in the conservative movement, and which used clear and neutral language to differentiate the opposing positions, the GOP came out overwhelmingly for enforcement first.

he other 75% will vote on national security and not give a second thought to immigration.

I think the pols will be surprised about the impact of immigration in November. But we'll have to wait and see for that.

9 posted on 07/10/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: sinkspur
And check out these three options for dealing with the illegals already here. First, the question:

Public policy experts agree that there are at least 12 million illegal immigrants currently living in the United States. There are currently many proposals about how to handle this problem. I would like to read you several proposals. For each one, please tell me if you would favor or oppose this proposal.

And then the options. Note which ones are worded negatively and which ones are worded positively:

“Enforcing our current laws so harshly and strictly that illegal immigrants would eventually just go home because no jobs would be available.”

“Creating a program in which illegal immigrants could earn legal status as a foreign worker, but

“Deporting all 12 million illegal immigrants by any means necessary.”

Nah, no bias here.

11 posted on 07/10/2006 3:26:55 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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