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Tamar is a female, and you are saying that likely GOP voters are too dopey to understand the difference between the House and Senate plans, so Torrance and Lake have to dupe them into favoring the Senate bill.

I clearly noted how they used favorable language for the Senate bill and negative language for the House bill, while omitting key aspects of both, to get the results they wanted. Read if for yourself, sink, and tell me that the two questions were not seriously slanted.

In the vast majority of polls which show that the American voters favor some sort of guest worker program and even citizenship, in addition to enforcement, the usual response around here is "the polls were rigged."

Which careful analysis usually indicates. Like what I did here.

However, the one or two polls (both funded by organizations that oppose both legal and illegal immigration) which show a slight plurality favoring enforcement only are taken as gospel.

I take those with a grain of salt as well. But a poll cited by NRO, which is pretty centrist in the conservative movement, and which used clear and neutral language to differentiate the opposing positions, the GOP came out overwhelmingly for enforcement first.

he other 75% will vote on national security and not give a second thought to immigration.

I think the pols will be surprised about the impact of immigration in November. But we'll have to wait and see for that.

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"I clearly noted how they used favorable language for the Senate bill and negative language for the House bill, while omitting key aspects of both, to get the results they wanted. Read if for yourself, sink, and tell me that the two questions were not seriously slanted."

Correct, and also other media outlets used the same technique for their polloganda. Most seriously, though, was (and is) the msirepresentation that the Senate bill actually did something positive about enforcement, when in fact, many kennedy-inserted provisions MAKE DEPORTATION HARDER, MAKE FRAUD EASIER, AND MAKE EMPLOYMENT VERIFICATION A NONSTARTER.

We need to deal with what *IS*, not with the lipstick that some PR gurus want to put on this pig.

BTW, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison got thousands of emails in may on the Senate bill, she said that it ran thousands against, and a handful for.