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To: sinkspur
Let's see how the two questions were worded. First, the push question (emphasis will be mine):

The President and many leaders in Congress are considering several different proposals for immigration reform. If Congress was considering legislation which would do the following to create an earned legalization program:

--Provide resources to greatly increase border security,
--Impose much tougher penalties on employers who hire illegal workers,
--Allow additional foreign workers to come to the United States to work for a temporary period,
--Create a system in which illegal immigrants could come forward and register, pay a fine, and receive a temporary worker permit,
--Provide these temporary workers with a multi-year path to earned citizenship, if they get to the end of the line and meet certain requirements like living crime free, learning English, paying taxes.

Note the use of positive language here. Also, there is no mention of other key and odious aspects of the Senate Bill, such as tax forgiveness for two of five years and allowing Social Security to be collected.

And now, let's see the other push question (emphasis will be mine):

13 Now, thinking about a DIFFERENT proposal for immigration reform…

This legislation would do only the following: Tighten the borders, Put tougher penalties on employers and workers who violate immigration laws, Create an expanded guest worker program that allows people to work here only temporarily, and Most current illegal immigrants would never be eligible for citizenship.

Note the negaive "only. And nowhere is the key difference between the two bills mentioned - enforcement first for the House version, enforcement someday for the Senate. I wonder how much the numbers would have changed if that had been part of the two survey questions? I think we all know the answer to that one. In reading this guy's columns, he's a shill for the pro-open borders interests.

3 posted on 07/10/2006 3:07:27 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: dirtboy

Where did you get the poll questions? It's not available at the MI website.


5 posted on 07/10/2006 3:10:30 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: dirtboy
I think we all know the answer to that one. In reading this guy's columns, he's a shill for the pro-open borders interests.

Tamar is a female, and you are saying that likely GOP voters are too dopey to understand the difference between the House and Senate plans, so Torrance and Lake have to dupe them into favoring the Senate bill.

I've noticed something, dirt. In the vast majority of polls which show that the American voters favor some sort of guest worker program and even citizenship, in addition to enforcement, the usual response around here is "the polls were rigged."

However, the one or two polls (both funded by organizations that oppose both legal and illegal immigration) which show a slight plurality favoring enforcement only are taken as gospel.

My take (and it is reflected in this poll) is that about a quarter of voters will be influenced by a candidate's position on immigration.

The other 75% will vote on national security and not give a second thought to immigration. Notice that, in this Torrance-Lake poll, immigration is seven out of nine in terms of issues important to likely voters.

7 posted on 07/10/2006 3:19:39 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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