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To: Ben Mugged

I say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice. Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsably when they become an adult


19 posted on 07/10/2006 2:00:58 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker
say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice. Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsibly when they become an adult

I raised two girls in the Bay Area. My eldest was given a small car to drive to school since it was a fair distance and there were no safe bus rides. I found out years later that she was skipping school at least one day a week and taking a carload of kids to Santa Cruz for the day. Exactly what lesson in responsibility did she learn from that experience?

24 posted on 07/10/2006 2:08:33 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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"I say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice."

I don't know. I remember being 17 at parties. Unfortunatedly some of my deceased classmates aren't here to say the same.


33 posted on 07/10/2006 2:14:12 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: SmoothTalker
Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsably when they become an adult
There is a balance here. It may very well also help them live long enough to actually BECOME an adult.
40 posted on 07/10/2006 2:19:38 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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I don't think so. Controlling a kid's whereabouts has a big effect on who they associate with, and that has a big effect on what kind of adults they turn into.


44 posted on 07/10/2006 2:24:35 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsably

The end justifies the means when you're a "responsible" parent. The end is protection and guidance; not blind trust.

In fact, liberals foster a sense of blind trust in kids, especially those of early voting age.

56 posted on 07/10/2006 2:48:45 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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Allowing the kid to lie to her parents and get away with it for their teen years is not teaching her responsibility or a good life habit, either.

What it is teaching her is that her negative actions have consequences, and that if you keep lying long enough, you'll get caught. Seems a valuable lesson to me.

The kid is just pi$$ed off that she got caught in an 'unfair' way. I know when I got caught trying to put something over on my folks I was upset but I didn't have a leg to stand on because I was lying. They didn't seem to care how they found out, 'unfairly' or not.


57 posted on 07/10/2006 2:48:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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Bingo! I was alittle more verbose in my post; and am waiting with Nomex and Kevlar on.


78 posted on 07/10/2006 3:10:43 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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I say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice. Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsably when they become an adult

It's not either-or. A responsible balance of privacy and monitoring teaches the right lessons -- you're free to do as you wish, and you are responsible for your actions. Get caught breaking the rules, and there will be consequences.

Not only that, but once you're caught once, it will be a long time (if ever) before you're trusted again.

That's not a bad lesson for living in the real world.

114 posted on 07/10/2006 4:22:51 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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[I say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice. Placing bugs in a kids car won't teach them to act responsably when they become an adult]




The fact is all children need complete supervision when they're very young and as they learn to act more responsibly they earn more independence. I'm surprised at the number of parents who automatically grant their children autonomy based on how old they are rather than making privileges dependent on their pattern of behavior. My policy with my own 13 year old daughter is to have her earn her privacy by demonstrating to me that she's worthy of trust. She does pretty well with this method because she knows from experience that when (not if) I discover her abusing her privileges she loses them.
133 posted on 07/10/2006 5:41:11 PM PDT by spinestein (Follow "The Bronze Rule")
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I say that in the long run these parents are doing their kids a disservice.<<<<<<<<<<

I disagree. Having parents who hold them accountable and check out their stories tells them their parents aren't their buddies, they are responsible people who aren't stupid. They will likely hate them until grown, but what else is new?

It also gives the kids an excuse when they are being pressured to do stupid things ("I'd race you in a minute, but the old man/old lady will find out, so I'll pass..")The kids who were allowed complete freedom who wanted to hang out with my kids soon learned I was their worst nightmare, and they learned not to be giving my kids anything illegal to hold onto for them because I'd find it and they'd all be in big trouble, my kids included. My own kids are responsible citizens as adults, so something worked right.


135 posted on 07/10/2006 5:46:19 PM PDT by Mjaye
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