[misterrob]

Can the "statism" argument because it doesn't fly. You want to argue something in the abstract when the facts of the case are, a 17 year old who lives with her parents lied about her wherabouts. As an underage person who is also a liar why is she entitled to freedoms?

[mysterio]

I'm not arguing against taking consequences. I'm arguing against conditioning someone to get used to a constant level of surveillence. I think that produces a nation of sheep-like adults who will let the government grow to any level.

Parents have been strict, traditionally. But they didn't put some GPS system on their kids. Their kids had to learn responsibility. Now we tag the kids like sheep. And that's what they grow up to become.