Posted on 07/10/2006 1:39:16 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
President Bush will likely cast the first veto of his presidency if the Senate, as expected, passes legislation to expand federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research, White House aide Karl Rove said today.
"The president is emphatic about this," Rove said in a meeting with the editorial board of The Denver Post.
The U.S. House of Representatives has already passed the legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. Diana DeGette, D-Denver, and Rep. Mike Castle, R-Del. If the Senate approves the bill this month it would go to the president's desk.
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Are you sure about that???
Your moral certitude and condescending attitude toward people who don't share your religious beliefs is breathtaking.
I suppose you see bad times ahead for the 70+% of the people on the planet who do not worship your deity of choice.
" == I think Frist has long supported this, btw. == "
No, he initially supported the President, then turned on him and put out a rambling, pseudoscientific but really political justification for his reversal sometime last year.
The President made a very wise decision, one that bars taxpayer supported further human sacrifice without rendering useless the sacrifice already made that cannot be undone. Its insightful wisdom will become only more apparent over time.
This thread already contains cogent evidence and arguments for adult stem cell research, and the dozens of successful, lifesaving therapies and thousands of lives saved or improved with them. It also mentions the total absence of anything helpful or useful coming from embryonic stem cells, as well as the literal MALIGNANCY of their therapeutic use. Finally, somewhere above someone mentions the real reason that the research community choruses their insistence on this dead end - their sinecure. ESC research offers the hope of an entire career of research grants and papers published, always showing promise "for tomorrow", a tomorrow that never will arrive.
They are cannibals, and deserve neither a dime of our money nor the tiniest measure of our respect.
The condescension and arrogance comes from those who believe themselves to be above all, and who place human beings and their own egos at the center of their world.
I am not so arrogant as to believe that my thoughts are all that there is. Those who deny God are.
Science is only a manifestation of the mind of God. And it is doomed to fail if it puts human thinking as its only source and denies its real Source.
" == I hear the stem cells of senators hold the promise for theraputic breakthroughs (actually, no one would believe that). == "
Yeah, senator-derived stem cells are probably the cure for microcephaly, ego deficiency, or diseases like excessive conscience or integrity.
You may call it nascent life, if you will, but to compare it to the tissue inside your cheek is ludicrous, and to call it a 'blob' is patently untrue.........even according to your science god.
You want so badly for your amoral view to be superior to God's law, but no wishful thinking on your part makes it so.
The embryos being destroyed are human beings. The babies that result when they are rescued are scientific proof of that fact.
It is interesting that your same arguments have been used by abortion mill doctors who seek to fatten their wallets by murdering the unborn.
Many women are now dealing with deep grief at having destroyed the 'tissue' that the doctor said was inside them, and wondering what that 'tissue' would be doing if he or she were allowed to live.
You have been brainwashed by your leftist education, Lunatic. That's why you're a lunatic.
Atheism is the apex of arrogance, and self-absorbtion.
And it is the antithesis of the humility that cries for the saving of helpless, innocent human beings from being sacrificed to the gods of science, 'research,' and more accurately..... leftist politics.
Parroting your religious teachings doesn't make you any more credible. I really don't give a sh!t about "God's Law" since God doesn't exist. I find it interesting that you use your God to back up your claims about the "sanctity of life" when that sadistic SOB ordered the slaughter of babies. If anyone has been "brainwashed" it is you.
It's this religious resistence to science that held the world back for so long. The world would be a much better place if you people would get the hell out of the way. Your demands on the world to adhere to your faith make you no better than Muslim scumbags.
And while you scorm science and embrace your God of Cruelty, I ask what the hell has It done for the world (REALLY done for the world, not your bedtime stories of Christ's ressurection and other such nonsense). Science has cured diseases, extended life, cleansed food and water, made transportaion advances, connected the world through mass communication, etc, etc, etc. Belief in your God has brought the world nothing but wars, pain, intolerance, persecution, and grief.
It's time you religious people stop scaring the human race into historic mediocrity. Go ahead and hide behind your BoogeyMan of a deity and let the smart people fix the world.
May the God of peace and Love heal your spirit, Lunatic.
In one post, you revealed the lies of the left that dominate our educational system at a level rarely seen on this conservative forum.
I'm frankly surprised that such leftist groupthink hasn't gotten you suspended from Free Republic.
Praying is the best thing I can do for you. Reasoning can't get through the cobwebs of leftist ideology covering your brain.
"why are we allowing the embryos to be destroyed simply because the "parents" decide they don't have any more use for them? Frankly, I find that far more disgusting. I know that this is a little off the subject of government funding, but in many ways I see it as the root of the problem."
It is indeed the source of the "problem", the fact that these extra embryos are created as part of the IVF process. I certainly haven't heard a peep about changing the laws to make IVF illegal or even to change the way it is done. No politician wants to look like he's against women who are TRYING to become mothers.
That's because I have never advocated any "Leftist" position on this forum, but here you go... now trying to get me banned for not following your make-believe God.
You care nothing for my soul, so what the hell are you going to pray about? That I think like you? That I join your religion? What arrogant intolerance. While amusing, I can't be entertained much as long as you people continue your power-grab. Put a bomb-jacket on you and you'd be no different than a Muslim terrorist. Dance, little monkey puppet, dance.
I've had enough of your pushy evangelism. You made your point. You're an intolerant religious nut who will pray for me. Now begone.
I have little problem with IVF in and of itself. It's helped make loving parents of people who otherwise could not conceive However, it can lead to some very messy details like excess embryos. One possible answer to the overabundance of embryos is to donate them to other couples who want and cannot have children. But then you have the possibility of the couple being dissatisfied with the outcome and demanding that the biological parents take the child back or some such nonsense. I can see the problems, alas, not the answers.
Hope you threw in with the right one. I'm glad you seem so sure.
There is a program like the one you describe, called "Snowflakes". I pulled up a news article on Nexis, which says that between the founding of the Snowflakes program in 1997 and January of 2006, they had "placed" 99 embryos.
99. There are estimated to be about 400,000 excess embryos out there right now. I suggest a supply/demand imbalance.
Interesting. Like I said, identifying the problem is only half the battle. Maybe only a 1/4.
As opposed to this?
Put a bomb-jacket on you and you'd be no different than a Muslim terrorist. Dance, little monkey puppet, dance
That's a pathetic case of projection if I've ever seen one.
Enough of that, you're taking a day off.
"Those poor little innocent blobs of proteinic goo."
Well, most of us started out this way. I would wager you did too.
"No politician wants to look like he's against women who are TRYING to become mothers."
Is it worth sacrificing several possible lives to create one actual life? Killing life to create life? Should IVF be banned?
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