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Coming to Terms with America’s Past and Present
FamilySecurityMatters.org ^ | 7/10/06 | Molly McCarroll

Posted on 07/10/2006 4:37:21 AM PDT by Curlyhead

If slavery was truly the United States’ original sin, then Vietnam is our guilty conscience. It was too complex and too disorienting and too many Americans lost far too much for the nation yet to understand it fully. More than 30 years later, the country still labors under the psychological weight of that experience. They say that the victors write history, but this was a war that nobody won. The South Asian battlefields may have long fallen quiet and the domestic tumult that pit parents against children and brothers against brothers may be over, but as long as many of the key players still draw a breath, the war to write history will not cease. The front lines have merely shifted from the fields of Vietnam to the screens and pages of the American media.

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I lived through Vietnam and remember it vividly - this article puts the difference between then and now in perspective. Well done.
1 posted on 07/10/2006 4:37:22 AM PDT by Curlyhead
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Don't get too comfortable here Troll. We don't care too much for this sort of stupid "Anti War" propaganda posting by knee jerk Hate America First types and Al Qeda sympathizers

Despite all the squeals from the Hate Americans, Iraq is NOT Vietnam. Vietnam did NOT start with 3000 Americans Civilians murdered. Iraq is the War on Terror anyone claims any different is a knowing liar.

We kill terrorists by the truck load in Iraq so we don't have to kill them in the streets of New York
2 posted on 07/10/2006 4:59:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Curlyhead

Were you ever in Cambodia?


3 posted on 07/10/2006 5:01:18 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Curlyhead
It was too complex and too disorienting and too many Americans lost far too much for the nation yet to understand it fully.

It was none of the above for me. I didn't have navel-contemplating time...I was too busy killing Commies.
4 posted on 07/10/2006 5:02:32 AM PDT by x1stcav (A Racist is a Conservative winning an argument with a Liberal.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The article pointed out what you point out - that Iraq is no Vietnam and to go in that direction will surely lead America down the path to defeat!


5 posted on 07/10/2006 5:03:14 AM PDT by Curlyhead
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We will be bogged down in Iraq until either the administration screws up the courage to do what it takes to win, or the rats regain power. The never ending urban warfare patty cake we're playing with the terrorists is a crime against the best trained, most professional troops in history, our brave soldiers and marines.


6 posted on 07/10/2006 5:04:40 AM PDT by Jacquerie (The truth to leftists is that which advances their goals. Factuality is irrelevant.)
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To: x1stcav

it was complex and disorienting for American citizens whose only information source about it was the blasted American liberal media - who utterly destroyed our chances of winning there.


7 posted on 07/10/2006 5:05:36 AM PDT by Curlyhead
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I'm in a hurry here, and only read of the article, the amount posted above -- but i agree with that much.

If we don't win THIS war I fear for America. Not that we will go down, but rather that we will change to become something we never were before -- either an isolationist non-power, or more likely {We ARE still very very powerful} a dictatorship.


8 posted on 07/10/2006 5:13:18 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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AH but the speculation is based upon a false premise.
The American Colonies had the African slave trade foisted
upon them by the Brits. And it was a combined effort by
the British and American Christians that ended slavery at
a time when the Islamic State continue to employ that despicable act(as a means of glorifying hteir false god,and
bloody religion of conquest) I too lived through the Vietnam
era. Enlisted in the US Army in 1969 to find out from the source why my Country was being torn apart by the great unwashed over them war games.I was spat upon by an unwashed
hippie whore in Atlanta -and called baby killer -despite the fact I was a Medic and trained to save lives. If "Nam
is our guilty conscieous I suppose it would be because the Left is looking a return to those heady days of anarchy and misrule. And the Right has not found a way to bring the lost back into the fold -the scism has NOT healed.


9 posted on 07/10/2006 5:14:24 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: 9999lakes

IB4TZ?


10 posted on 07/10/2006 5:15:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: Curlyhead

The only similarities between Vietnam and Iraq are the anti-war crowds and the gutless politians. If there were a draft today, there would be draft dodgers. These people will never understand the sacrifices to maintain freedom. We didn't start this war. War was declared against us by Saddam himself (look it up) and terrorists throughout the Middle East. We simply took their words to have meaning and stepped up their challenge. Forget WMD was ever mentioned, war was declared on us and we responded.


11 posted on 07/10/2006 5:17:01 AM PDT by moonman (`)
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"IB4TZ?"

Nah, looks well intended, although I hate when newbies come out of the box like this.


12 posted on 07/10/2006 5:17:25 AM PDT by toddlintown
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There a lot of differences. First, both sides were quicker into the fray. Aging boomers are eager to relive what pleases them to perceive as their glory days and to again prevent the victory of American arms under a Republican president.

They are in a race against time and the Iraqi National Guard. They are reduced to claiming that it is a "defeat" for Bush when one of his generals suggests that it will be possible to begin drawing down American troop strength in Iraq next year.

And, obviously, the WWW is available to both sides. The political lesson of Vietnam is that journalism is neither objective nor neutral but actually the nexus of radical politics. Conservatives have learned to treat news reports generally and broadcast breaking news in particular with suspicion. We aren't having to learn that lesson in Iraq: we knew it from Vietnam. That is undoubtedly why Buckhead was so quick to call "Fraud!" when CBS did its "TANG memo" hit piece on Bush. And the web gave Buckhead a voice which could reach a wide enough audience quickly enough to defeat the objective of that fraud. Publishing has been decentralized.

The effect of the WWW is asymmetrical because the advantage of the web is low cost publishing, and radicals dominate high-cost publishing with what is now so obviously their New York Times. Since liberals already had a voice in all the big propaganda organs, gaining more capability to publish simply opened up more radical channels on the left, reducing unity. But having propaganda organs, even small ones, available on the Right has opened up whole new vistas.


13 posted on 07/10/2006 5:37:05 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (!st Amendment: We can't trust ANYONE to control the public discourse.)
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Mom, Apple Pie, and the Ghost of Quagmires Past. Really good writing on Vietnam by freeper marron.

14 posted on 07/10/2006 5:41:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (!st Amendment: We can't trust ANYONE to control the public discourse.)
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To: toddlintown

What's that mean?


15 posted on 07/10/2006 6:02:38 AM PDT by Curlyhead
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'Splain somethin' to me. Why is it no one ever mentions the FACT that it was the DUMMOS that put us in Vietnam???


16 posted on 07/10/2006 6:19:38 AM PDT by wizr (Paranoia can be rational, if someone really is after you.)
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All the modern anti war movement is is the baby boomer's mid life crises. They want to return to their "glory" days.

Iraq is what Sun Tze called "Death Ground" a point our enemies have to fight us where we hold all the advantages and they suffer all the disadvantages.

With Terrorists we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact we often cannot even know where they are hiding because various rouge Governments protect them. Therefore we need to draw them out of hiding into a battlefield where they have to face our Military rather then attack our civilians. Iraq is that battlefield. Morally, Strategically, Politically, Intellectually, there is NO legitimate reason to oppose the Iraq War. Those who oppose the war simply do so out of domestic political prejudices NOT from any alternative ideals of how to fight the War on Terrorists.
17 posted on 07/10/2006 6:41:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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Didnt care for this article. The writer manages to put slavey and Viet Nam in the same sentence which I see as just an attempt to blame America for every thing wrong in the world.


18 posted on 07/10/2006 6:45:43 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: wizr

Because its the dummos themselves who usually bring up VN


19 posted on 07/10/2006 6:50:48 AM PDT by D1X1E
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To: Curlyhead

A democrat president started the Vietnam War by sending 14,000 ground troops, in an enormous blunder, even though the democrats are trying to cover that fact up. (We had advisors all over the world at that time).


20 posted on 07/10/2006 7:01:40 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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