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At Colleges, Women Are Leaving Men in the Dust
New York Times ^ | July 9, 2006 | Tamar Lewin

Posted on 07/09/2006 10:26:12 AM PDT by mcvey

Department of Education statistics show that men, whatever their race or socioeconomic group, are less likely than women to get bachelor's degrees — and among those who do, fewer complete their degrees in four or five years. Men also get worse grades than women.

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Small wonder, then, that at elite institutions like Harvard, small liberal arts colleges like Dickinson, huge public universities like the University of Wisconsin and U.C.L.A. and smaller ones like Florida Atlantic University, women are walking off with a disproportionate share of the honors degrees.

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KEYWORDS: academia; biscuitsinover; bunsinbed; coeds; education; gender; highereducation; malestudents; men; newyorktimes; women
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Yes, but:

At least in my professions (history and political science) the textbooks are specifically set up for women and criticize masculinity. For instance in Tindall and Shi's America--a college textbook--in a chapter labled "The Old South: An American Tragedy," we find the statement: "Southern men of all social classes were preoccupied with an often reckless manliness," followed by 2 1/2 pages on dueling and tieing the Civil War and slavery pretty directly to exhibits of manliness. (New York: Norton,Fifth Edition, p. 483-485) It perpetrates a stereotype that feminists love to perpetrate.

You will never find some counter-expression such as: "the French Court was besotted with effeminant behaviors."

There are studies which indicate that one of the reason boys are lagging behind is because the curriculum, particular the reading part of it, is designed to help girls, not boys. I suggest that differences between the sexes are only mentioned when it helps the feminist cause.

1 posted on 07/09/2006 10:26:16 AM PDT by mcvey
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To: mcvey

So does this mean that we can expect special scholarships targeting the minority group, "men?"


2 posted on 07/09/2006 10:27:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: mcvey; Born Conservative; kenth; CatoRenasci; Marie; PureSolace; Congressman Billybob; P.O.E.; ...

Education ping list.

Let Republicanprofessor, JamesP81, eleni121 or McVey know if you wish to be placed on this ping list or taken off of it.


3 posted on 07/09/2006 10:28:01 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Brilliant

Don't hold your breath.


4 posted on 07/09/2006 10:29:04 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey

I will put up my degree in Electrical Engineering up against a Communications degree any day.


5 posted on 07/09/2006 10:30:58 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: mcvey

There may be less participation by men in higher education since the formation of the women's clubs we used to call "colleges."


6 posted on 07/09/2006 10:35:16 AM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: Perdogg

Trouble is, Perdogg, that as things are presently structured, students have to run a gauntlet of feminist-influenced courses to get to any degree.


7 posted on 07/09/2006 10:37:14 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Perdogg

College is fun and then there is a reality check at about 22.


8 posted on 07/09/2006 10:37:18 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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To: JennysCool

Yes, it is very hard to express an opinion on campus that does not heel to the prevailing feminism.

And, I have been leaned on to be more "mothering" to my students. At my stage of my career, it doesn't work, but on a young, non-tenured professor, it would if they wanted to keep their jobs.


9 posted on 07/09/2006 10:39:28 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey

Men actually have to go to work to get money. Women straight out of high school and even later have found a new 'marriage' of sorts--to Daddy's money or to government funding. Where do you think the monies come from that allow such a long term engagement in overpriced education. Many young men or just men in general have rent to pay, car payments etc and they don't go looking to the gov't or Mommy and Daddy's 'estate' to do this. JMHO.


10 posted on 07/09/2006 10:39:39 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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Could it be that women take easier courses and not math and science ?


11 posted on 07/09/2006 10:41:23 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Thebaddog
College is fun and then there is a reality check at about 22.

Right when one actually has to go get a job.

I remember a conversation I once had with one of my fellow graduates right after she graduated. She wore a sleeveless t-shirt, yes, a SLEEVELESS T-SHIRT to a job interview and she said when she walked into the office it suddenly hit her she had been living in a whole other world for the last four years. Needless to say she snapped out of it and bought a suit and got her hair cut and nicely trimmed for her next interview. Oh and did I mention the piercings she had to take out as well? DUH!

These college campuses are just on another planet.

12 posted on 07/09/2006 10:44:58 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: John Lenin

My guess is that do. At least that has been my experience. Similar thinking got a Harvard president fired.

I know well a female Harvard science professor and know that she would say that women get steered away from Math. That might have been true in the 50's, it is certainly not true now.


13 posted on 07/09/2006 10:48:07 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey

When I was in college in the fifties, the student body must have been 60/40 men to women. I was in the business school and that was probably 95% men. I guess today the men party more because they have to satisfy all those female students. It is tough but somebody has to do it. I should of had these odds when I was in college.



14 posted on 07/09/2006 10:50:53 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: GOP Poet

Yes we are. Part of that is because schools compete with each other so fiercely for students.

My girlfriend asked the president of my institution why we tolerate having our female students dress as though we were teaching "Hooker 101" and he replied that if he did anything about we would go out of business.

I agree, regretfully.

I have never quite gotten over the time I asked a female student why she had a ball put in her tongue and she said, with all sincerity, "Sex, makes it better for the guys."


15 posted on 07/09/2006 10:51:12 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: GOP Poet

Dude, you are so wrong on this one. Look around you in urban/metro areas and you will find tons of career oriented women who make big bucks. They live for their jobs, they go through relationships (if you want to call them relationships) like outfits, they are competitive, motivated and in no danger of having children before they turn 35.


16 posted on 07/09/2006 10:51:17 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: Perdogg
I will put up my degree in Electrical Engineering up against a Communications degree any day.

I'd say your EE degree is worth about 5 liberal arts degrees. This article is a bit biased (from the little I could read of it posted here). More men than women still major in the hard subjects - math, engineering, and the physical sciences. You know, the degrees that you can actually get a job paying enough to pay back the student loans. The liberal arts degrees are pretty much a joke, with the average graduate making less than $30K per year, sometimes much less because there are no jobs available. (see joboutlook.com for recent graduates' salaries by degree. don't know how to post a link that works - sorry)
17 posted on 07/09/2006 10:57:13 AM PDT by CottonBall
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mcvey wrote: "There are studies which indicate that one of the reason boys are lagging behind is because the curriculum, particular the reading part of it, is designed to help girls, not boys."

I agree. Plus, I think a large percentage of degrees these days are total crap. The studies of Literature or History, for example, are corrupted by liberal propaganda. On the other hand, men still continue to do quite well on "real" degrees, like engineering.

Boy, I'm waiting for the flames to start, but...just my opinion.
18 posted on 07/09/2006 10:59:19 AM PDT by CitizenUSA
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19 posted on 07/09/2006 10:59:46 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: misterrob
Most all of these women went to college first. And the one's that didn't don't make big bucks. Many of them get paid a normal paycheck and overspend with overpriced cars and external items they just cann't afford.

The one's that went to college, make a lot more over a lifetime, but usually always use Mommy and Daddy's money, 'women' oriented scholarships, or gov't monies to go to college first. I know 'dude' I was one of the latter while many of my male counterparts had to leave school to go to work, especially the longer I was in college. Unless of course their parents were footing the bill.

20 posted on 07/09/2006 11:05:37 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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