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liberal pro-choice sheep think that's the mother...when in reality it's the state who will ultimately make that choice, not the mother...think China.

We are on the same page here. I actually was going to post about that. A few days ago, there was a news story about a woman in China who had fallen to her death while trying to escape a forced abortion.

So, exactly--the mother is sort of the intermediary, but the state is the "highest" form of higher wisdom. So even if the mother "fantasizes" that her wanted child his alive, the state has the final say. Chilling.

And the liberal sheep just don't get it. Well, I guess they don't call them useful idiots for nothing.

I remember, about ten years ago, watching an episode of Politically Incorrect, and some dimwit hollywood actress (The Virgin Connie Swayles from Dragnet, Alexandra Paul) was insisting that China's one child policy should be enacted in America for "the greater good". Strangely, Bill Mahr really hammered her on the whole "choice" issue and she wasn't able to counter.