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NASA Advised to Revamp Mars Plans
Space.com on Yahoo ^ | 7/6/06 | Leonard Davis

Posted on 07/07/2006 10:53:34 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

NASA needs to rethink its Mars exploration plans after 2010 given new understandings about the red planet and likely funding levels in the coming years, according to a report just out from a panel of outside experts.

By adding to a reworked mix of future missions-for example, a geophysical/meteorological network as well as a sample return mission-the space agency would garner a greater scientific impact at Mars, the panel concludes. Moreover, the space agency must fortify its ability to analyze the data streaming in from Mars. That research can help flesh out a safe and scientifically productive role for humans on Mars.

NASA's funding of technologies to enable a robust and scientifically rewarding Mars agenda, however, remains a chronic problem, the experts say.

The 15-person ad hoc Mars Architecture Assessment Committee was set up by the Space Studies Board, a research arm of the National Academies. The group's nearly 50-page appraisal of NASA's Mars Architecture 2007-2016, requested by the space agency, was released today.

Set of recommendations

In a June 30 cover letter attachment to Mary Cleave, Associate Administrator of the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters, the chair of the assessment, Reta Beebe of New Mexico State University, offered a set of recommendations to NASA, including:

Add a Mars Long-Lived Lander Network in the mix of options for launch in 2016; Consider delaying the launch of the Astrobiology Field Laboratory until 2018; Devise a strategy to implement the Mars Sample Return mission; Ensure that the primary role of the Mars Science and Telecommunications Orbiter (MSTO) is to address science questions, and not simply to serve as a telecommunications relay; and Move forward on 'Mid Rovers,' wheeled robots more capable than Spirit and Opportunity but less complicated, not as expensive, and not as heavy as the Mars Science Laboratory to be launched in 2009.

The assessment committee, Beebe wrote to NASA's Cleave, found the space agency's future exploration plans as a whole 'not optimized,' with more work needed to shore up the architecture's scientific impact.

Cost and technical readiness

In the review, future robotic missions are spotlighted.

In particular, NASA was advised to immediately initiate appropriate technology development activities to support Mars missions in the 2013-2016 time slot as well as support the Mars Sample Return mission as soon as possible thereafter.

A robotic sample return mission has the potential to yield samples uniquely capable of tackling a host of scientific objectives, the committee explained. Still, there are issues of cost and technical readiness. That being the case, robotic return to Earth of Mars samples will fall beyond the horizon of the coming decade, the study group said.

'Nevertheless, the committee reaffirms the importance of a mission to return samples of Mars to Earth for study and strongly argues that there is an immediate need for developing relevant technologies and infrastructure to enable the implementation of this mission as soon as possible after 2016.'

Grid of science stations

Advocated by the assessment team was a Mars Long-Lived Lander Network (ML3N) - a grid of science stations that will make coordinated measurements around Mars's globe for at least one martian year. This network would use passive seismometers to explore the structure and activity of Mars.

The review group also flagged 'the extraordinary resilience' of the Spirit and Opportunity rovers still at work on the red planet. Success of that Mars machinery 'strongly suggests that a prudent, risk-reduction strategy is to use their design as a basis for the proposed Mid Rovers,' the committee stated.

Mid Rovers would be geological explorers, dispatched to evaluate the geological context of specific sites and search for organic compounds at targets identified by prior missions. As currently envisaged NASA's goal is to fly two rovers for a cost approximately equal to that of the Mars Science Laboratory mission-now priced at $1.5 billion.

Also in the rover realm, the assessment group suggested delaying the launch of the Astrobiology Field Laboratory until 2018. Doing so would permit time to digest results from the Mars Science Laboratory and other prior missions.

Seamless relationship

An important component of NASA's Mars architecture is the Mars Scout program. The first of this class NASA mission is the Phoenix Mars lander now being readied for a 2007 sendoff. Balloons, airplanes, and other Mars craft are being advocated under the Scout rubric.

The low-cost, science-focused Scouts are characterized as 'wild cards' by the study group. These competitively selected missions have the potential to fill in needs. 'However, it must be kept in mind that Scouts must be proposed as 'complete missions' and not as architectural elements.'

In looking at NASA's sweeping Vision of Exploration (VSE)-replanting astronauts back on the Moon and dispatching humans to Mars and beyond-the assessment committee noted that a strong, independent architecture will stand alone on its scientific merit and will also contribute significantly to that vision.

'Both the utility of the Mars mission architecture and its value within the VSE and NASA's strategic plan would be strengthened by the addition of a network of meteorological/seismic stations and a sample return mission.'

There is desire to create a 'seamless relationship' between the robotic science missions and human exploration, but to do so without adversely affecting either program element, the review group observed.


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To: RadioAstronomer

What's an SSTO vehicle?


21 posted on 07/08/2006 11:48:23 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: RadioAstronomer; RightWhale

there are problems with "sending humans where we find deficiencies in the robotic explorations" which only incremental fleet-building can resolve.

flexibility, speed, reliability, safety, and redundancy.

all of the above require the creation of a fleet of several/many space-only "engines-with-cargo-hooks" ferries, even for lunar exploitation.

bear in mind: such ferries would never land, ever. their sole design function would be to move stuff from Earth orbit to lunar orbit and back, and/or to move stuff between Earth orbits, and to provide standing SAR vehicles for the inevitable mishaps.


22 posted on 07/08/2006 11:55:06 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

SSTO = single-stage-to-orbit


23 posted on 07/08/2006 11:55:43 AM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: NormsRevenge

Unmanned spacecraft and AI will outpace manned efforts over the next 50 years. Manned spaceflight will remain cost-prohibitive until factories in space are established that utilize manufacturing techniques based on bootstrapped nanotechnology factory methods.


24 posted on 07/08/2006 12:02:19 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: King Prout

First came the Jules Verne paradigm (top-hatted astronauts in cannon shells with with glass-plate cameras, but no radio or electronics), then came the von Braun paradigm (V-2 based space armadas from the Earth's surface). We need to enter the nanotechnology-based space factory paradigm before manned expansion into deep space can economically proceed.


25 posted on 07/08/2006 12:11:32 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: RightWhale
That's correct. Congress decides what NASA is to do, and year by year. Two years of continuity is achievable, four is barely possible, and six is about the limit. Small, long duration programs such as robot ships to outer planets may survive unnoticed from inception to launch, and then to at least primary goals.

I was in Belgium a few months back to discuss a possible collaboration on an instrument for an upcoming NASA mission. The Belgians were aghast that we did not receive full funding for the program at the start, but had to wait for each year's allotment.

I've also been on sounding rocket programs where NASA decided to cut $50K from the budget every year. Doesn't sound like much, but when the total three-year budget is $500K, that's quite a bit of cost you have to eat...

26 posted on 07/08/2006 12:25:01 PM PDT by MikeD (We live in a world where babies are like velveteen rabbits that only become real if they are loved.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

I'm not even considering "deep space"
I'm interested in exploiting NEAR space, in a pragmatic and systemmatic manner.


27 posted on 07/08/2006 12:26:37 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout
something like, oh... build a fleet of earth-to-moon ferrys/taxis... get a moon-base up and running... make that moon-base dedicated to cranking out more ships for longer-range manned EXPLOITATION...

THEN talk about going to Mars, in STYLE and in FORCE.

ummmmm.... with the exception of not waiting till after they're finished on the Moon to start talking about going to Mars, you've pretty much described the current plan.  Oh, and building vehicles at the bottom of a gravity well, even a relatively small one like the Moons, is right out.  Now, a materials factory for refining raw materials to be hurled up to a manufacturing and assembly facility, probably at one of the Lagrange points, is more like it.

My preference is to use the Moon as a relatively safe place to practice and refine the tools and techniques needed for sustained habitation.  On the Moon you have a hope of rescue in days or weeks, not months, if something goes wrong.  If you wait till you get to Mars to find out a design doesn't work you're toast.  I'd work on setting up a Lunar Cycler system as opposed to a "space taxi."  You build them as hotels and make money on them while they orbit and on every other trip they drop off and pick up stuff at the Moon.  Buzz Aldrin's been pushing this idea for some time and he's got some serious money (folks like Bezos and Branson) interested.  He's also got some major engineering talent working with him. 

I'd like us to postpone Mars in favor of exploring and exploiting the asteroids.  Start with one of the Apollo or Aten asteroids to prove what can be done and, particularly to check to see if you can find one that will be commercially valuable, say one largely made of nickel iron.  Then refine it in orbit for your materials for building larger exploration vehicles.

And if anyone gives you grief you just drop one on them from orbit. 

A little one. 

Going very fast. 

28 posted on 07/08/2006 12:51:39 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: RadioAstronomer
we need to concentrate on developing (AND COMPLETE IT THIS TIME!) a reliable SSTO vehicle

You mean like this one

  DCX

Mr Bezos has announced he's building one based on this test model.  Yes, it crashed on landing (when one of it's retractable landing gear did just that... when it wasn't supposed to).  But the sucker works.

Delta Clipper, anyone? 

And Rutan's Transformational Space Corp. is a finalist in the running to get the contract to build and operate a replacement for the Shuttle to send "crew and cargo to the International Space Station."  It would be a fairly conventional rocket carried up to a launch altitude much like Space Ship One was under a ferry vehicle, then dropped and allowed to launch vertically.  They've got a great PDF of the early proposal with some great material.

This is a drop test of a scale model of the rocket being dropped from and existing ferry vehicle.

The full size ferry will be much larger, as will the rocket, and it is supposed to carry 6 to 12 people and/or cargo of equal mass.  One alternative for the ferry is to take a 747 and give it really tall landing gear.  Branson is also involved in this venture and he's apparently talking about setting up the 747 with an observation are and big windows.  After they drop the rocket the 747 would turn and orbit to give a view of the launch.

Woohoo!!

29 posted on 07/08/2006 1:09:56 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: driftdiver; RadioAstronomer; RightWhale; Jedi Master Pikachu

I know we aren't even close to ready for terraforming Mars. Heck, we can't even terraform Earth all that well! All I'm saying really is that terraforming should be the ultimate goal, and BTW I think Venus will ultimately be far easier to terraform than would be Mars.


30 posted on 07/08/2006 1:29:01 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: SunkenCiv
IMHO we need a reliable, cheaper way to orbit, and that means man-in-the-can.

"Man-in-the-can" is fine, its the expendable rocket that isn't. It is more "begging the question" than solution.

Reusability is more expensive and partly mythical.

There is nothing mythical about reusability unless you are talking about the way NASA defines and implements reusability. And if your reusability plan is more expensive than your expendable plan, you've missed the point.

We (NASA) have never progressed beyond the artillery mindset of space travel. And the shuttle is little more than reusable artillery -- the ultimate oxymoron.

31 posted on 07/08/2006 1:29:16 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: AntiGuv

"BTW I think Venus will ultimately be far easier to terraform than would be Mars."

Could be and its fun to think about. But can you imagine the environmental impact study that will be required for some of this?


32 posted on 07/08/2006 1:34:27 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Phsstpok

I don't advocate building the entire ship as a unit on the ground and then launching it - rather, build it in sections, lob them into orbit, bolt them together, fuel and provision it, and then put into service.

something far smaller, lighter, and less expensive than the ISS. with engines. and with external hardpoints for mounting mission packages.

the firs such craft could be done in a handful of heavy lif launches from Earth, I would think.


33 posted on 07/08/2006 1:38:31 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout
in a pragmatic and systematic manner

Is current manned space exploration even remotely "pragmatic", in the economic sense?

I believe we will have a greatly expanded manned presence in space, but not under the current paradigm.

34 posted on 07/08/2006 1:46:02 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: hopespringseternal
We (NASA) have never progressed beyond the artillery mindset of space travel. And the shuttle is little more than reusable artillery -- the ultimate oxymoron.

Good point - you imply we are still trapped in not only the von Braun paradigm, but the Jules Verne paradism of space exploration also.

For the cost of two shuttles ($1 billion) we might break free and enter the nanotech space paradigm.

35 posted on 07/08/2006 1:48:21 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: AntiGuv
know we aren't even close to ready for terraforming Mars. Heck, we can't even terraform Earth all that well! All I'm saying really is that terraforming should be the ultimate goal, and BTW I think Venus will ultimately be far easier to terraform than would be Mars.

The means to terraform Venus and Mars using nanotechnology and bootstrapping factory systems is the essence of the nanotech space paradigm.

Space systems to carry man to the stars will be built in space by automated and self-replicating systems. Any other method is a waste of money and technology.

36 posted on 07/08/2006 1:51:07 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo
For the cost of two shuttles ($1 billion)

I mean two shuttle launches.

37 posted on 07/08/2006 1:52:06 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

does the current space program at all resemble what I advocate?
no.


38 posted on 07/08/2006 2:18:07 PM PDT by King Prout (many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
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To: King Prout
I'm interested in exploiting NEAR space, in a pragmatic and systemmatic manner.

Viable tools for space exploitation have not even been invented yet.

39 posted on 07/08/2006 2:21:52 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: hopespringseternal
"Man-in-the-can" is fine, its the expendable rocket that isn't. It is more "begging the question" than solution.
The expendible rocket is going to cost a fraction of the cost of a Shuttle launch, and will not be stuck in LEO, so yes it is.
There is nothing mythical about reusability unless you are talking about the way NASA defines and implements reusability. And if your reusability plan is more expensive than your expendable plan, you've missed the point.
I have not "missed the point". Reusability is supposed to reduce cost, but it doesn't, because the need for multiple stages (the SRBs being the equivalent of a first stage) increases complexity, and the one-size-fits-all STS isn't an appropriate vehicle for every job. Shuttle derived vehicles were never developed; had they been, there would have been a heavy lift capability (based on the SRBs) for large payloads that didn't need a crew. The orbiter wound up too large; a small reentry vehicle (even a miniature version of the shuttle) for missions where a crew or crew retrieval from orbit was needed would have been appropriate.

Reusability is analogous to the SSTO idea. An SSTO could be built with a sufficient supply of unobtainium. If it could be built, it would still increase the cost per pound to orbit -- and cost reduction (through reusability) is one reason SSTO is touted.

Reusability is mythical. New parts are made to replace stuff that is only good for a handful of launches (or one launch). Reprocessing costs for a launch runs to $500 million (a half billion $) and the 30 year old technology is obsolescent. The engines being developed for the new booster will cost less than the liquid fueled SSMEs, will be more powerful, and will not be retrieved from the drink.
40 posted on 07/08/2006 8:25:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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