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Lightning II makes splashy debut
Fox News ^ | July 7, 2006 | Staff

Posted on 07/07/2006 12:41:01 PM PDT by RDTF

Lightning II, Lockheed Martin's new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, made its debut today in a rock-show/unveiling ceremony that would have made Madonna jealous. At an estimated cost of $276 billion to the U.S. government, the F-35 will be the most expensive weapons program ever.

"The F-35 Lightning II will carry on the legacy of two of the greatest and most capable fighter aircraft of all time," said Ralph D. Heath, president of Lockheed, in a statement Friday. "Just as the P-38 and the British Lightning were at the top fo their class during their day, the F-35 will redefine multi-role fighter capability in the 21st century."

Among the dignitaries at Friday's ceremony were U.S. senators Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn, congresswoman Kay Granger, Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon England and Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley; and representatives from the eight countries partnering with the United States in the F-35's development: Britain, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway.

The Lightning nickname first graced one of the most famous fighters in World War II - Lockheed's twin fuselage P-38 , known as the "fork-tailed devil" by the German Luftwaffe.

Lightning II is expected to make its inaugural flight in October.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Technical; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f35; jsf; miltech
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super cool
1 posted on 07/07/2006 12:41:03 PM PDT by RDTF
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2 posted on 07/07/2006 12:44:13 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
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To: RDTF
At an estimated cost of $276 billion to the U.S. government, the F-35 will be the most expensive weapons program ever.

Yet, the F-35 JSF will also be one of the most flexible weapons programs ever, with applications for every branch that flies fighter jets.

Plus, our allies will be buying these over Harriers, and the increase of ease of integration in cooperative military actions will be a bonus.

3 posted on 07/07/2006 12:45:19 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

How does this plane compare to the Raptor, performance wise?


4 posted on 07/07/2006 12:51:01 PM PDT by CoolPapaBoze
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To: CoolPapaBoze

Yes, they look like the same airplane.


5 posted on 07/07/2006 12:52:02 PM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: CoolPapaBoze

My question, too, do we "need" both?


6 posted on 07/07/2006 12:54:35 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: CoolPapaBoze

Not sure, but I think the Raptor will be stronger in air superiority.

Check out: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-3168.html


7 posted on 07/07/2006 12:55:25 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

they are not the same, the JSF is capable of so much more


8 posted on 07/07/2006 12:56:41 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
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To: CoolPapaBoze

The Raptor is a twin engined Air Dominance fighter, designed to replace the F-15. The Lightning II is a single engined multirole figher/attack aircraft designed to replace the F-16, AV-8B, and F/a-18 in three different variants.

The Raptor and Lightning II complement each other, they don't compete against each other.


9 posted on 07/07/2006 12:56:54 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: RDTF
...the F-35 will be the most expensive weapons program ever.

Every new weapons program is going to be "most expensive weapons program ever" because the costs are always higher.......

10 posted on 07/07/2006 12:56:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (Follow an IROC long enough and sooner or later you will wind up in a trailer park..........)
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To: DTogo

I don't think the Raptor can be made aircraft carrier capable for the navy.


11 posted on 07/07/2006 12:57:04 PM PDT by hornetguy
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To: hornetguy

I forget, is the Raptor a VTOL, or just the Lightning?


12 posted on 07/07/2006 12:59:38 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: CoolPapaBoze
How does this plane compare to the Raptor, performance wise?

The Raptor is built for air-to-air combat, whereas this is more intended for ground attack, but like the Harrier, will have air-to-air capability. I'm not really sure that you could compare the two since they fulfill different missions.
13 posted on 07/07/2006 1:01:55 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: RDTF

What are you talking about?


14 posted on 07/07/2006 1:02:01 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: RDTF
A most excellent show!


15 posted on 07/07/2006 1:02:13 PM PDT by Dracian
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To: DTogo
I'm pretty sure the Raptor is not vtol, not even sure if it's stol. I think it was solely intended for long Air Force runways.

The Lightning does come in vtol variant.
16 posted on 07/07/2006 1:02:28 PM PDT by hornetguy
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To: DTogo
I forget, is the Raptor a VTOL, or just the Lightning?

Just the Lightning. The Raptor has that wicked cool thrust vectoring capability though.
17 posted on 07/07/2006 1:03:21 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: DTogo
I am suprised the article didn't mention the following (from Global Security)...

The program’s hallmark is affordability achieved through a high degree of aircraft commonality among three variants: conventional takeoff/landing (CTOL), carrier variant (CV) and short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft.<
...and this...
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will be:

* Four times more effective than legacy fighters in air-to-air engagements

* Eight times more effective than legacy fighters in prosecuting missions against fixed and mobile targets

* Three times more effective than legacy fighters in non-traditional Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) and Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses and Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses (SEAD/DEAD) missions

* About the same in procurement cost as legacy fighters, but requires significantly less tanker/transport and less infrastructure with a smaller basing footprint

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-35.htm

18 posted on 07/07/2006 1:05:39 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: hornetguy
I don't think the Raptor can be made aircraft carrier capable for the navy.

And I think that's a mistake on our part. The Navy really does need a purely air superioty platform for fleet defense and while the Tomcat excels in that role, let's face it, those planes are getting old and it steadily becomes more and more difficult for the maintenance crews to keep them safe enough to fly.
19 posted on 07/07/2006 1:05:44 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: coconutt2000

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/jsf.htm

The JSF program will demonstrate two competing weapon system concepts for a tri-service family of aircraft to affordably meet these service needs:

USAF-Multi-role aircraft (primarily air-to-ground) to replace F-16 and A-10 and to complement F-22. The Air Force JSF variant poses the smallest relative engineering challenge. The aircraft has no hover criteria to satisfy, and the characteristics and handling qualities associated with carrier operations do not come into play. As the biggest customer for the JSF, the service will not accept a multirole F-16 fighter replacement that doesn't significantly improve on the original.

USN-Multi-role, stealthy strike fighter to complement F/A-18E/F. Carrier operations account for most of the differences between the Navy version and the other JSF variants. The aircraft has larger wing and tail control surfaces to better manage low-speed approaches. The internal structure of the Navy variant is strengthened up to handle the loads associated with catapult launches and arrested landings. The aircraft has a carrier-suitable tailhook. Its landing gear has a longer stroke and higher load capacity. The aircraft has almost twice the range of an F-18C on internal fuel. The design is also optimized for survivability.

USMC-Multi-role Short Take-Off & Vertical Landing (STOVL) strike fighter to replace AV-8B and F/A-18A/C/D. The Marine variant distinguishes itself from the other variants with its short takeoff/vertical landing capability.

UK-STOVL (supersonic) aircraft to replace the Sea Harrier. Britain's Royal Navy JSF will be very similar to the U.S. Marine variant.

The JSF concept is building these three highly common variants on the same production line using flexible manufacturing technology. Cost benefits result from using a flexible manufacturing approach and common subsystems to gain economies of scale. Cost commonality is projected in the range of 70-90 percent; parts commonality will be lower, but emphasis is on commonality in the higher-priced parts.


20 posted on 07/07/2006 1:06:12 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
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