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If I could built a perfect candidate I might not choose Giuliani. In the real world, with his accomplishments, no one comes close to him.

This is where you are absolutely wrong. A presidential campaign is the wrong place for us to learn that being the mayor of a major U.S. city in the Northeast -- and a hotbed of radical Marxism in the U.S. if there ever was one -- does absolutely nothing to prepare someone to be a credible candidate on a national level. Showing great leadership in cleaning up New York City is sort of like being able to stand up and make a credible claim that you are the best plumber in the history of mankind. Everyone wants to have you around, but only when the toilets are overflowing and there are "chocolate bars" floating around in the basement.

This entire discussion is academic, since Giuliani has no intention of running in 2008. I suspect a lot of folks here are going to be very disappointed when they finally figure out that this whole charade was nothing more than a self-promoting racket on his part.

If he doesn't run, he doesn't run. It will be the Nation's loss.

I expect if he doesn't run, there will be more disappointment here then even you currently imagine.

Particularly on a January day in 2009, when a Democrat is sworn...and later.

"mayor of a major U.S. city in the Northeast -- and a hotbed of radical Marxism in the U.S. if there ever was one"

Take a DEEP breadth.
"Hotbed of Marxism"?
There is no place on the planet where the people practice capitalism like New York.
Its part of the very air we breathe here.
You don't know what you are talking about.

"Showing great leadership in cleaning up New York City is sort of like being able to stand up and make a credible claim that you are the best plumber in the history of mankind."

New York City is one of the toughest places to govern on the planet.
If you can govern effectively here, you can govern anywhere.

"This entire discussion is academic, since Giuliani has no intention of running in 2008"

Rudy will run.
Sorry.