Give us your poor, but not your sick(LA Pravda Editorial Board gets it wrong again)

Los Angeles Times ^ | 07/06/06 | Editorial

[garbageseeker]

LAST WEEK, IT LOOKED as if Sacramento might use a fraction of this year's multibillion-dollar budget surplus to expand health coverage for more kids in California. But in their final budget negotiations, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Legislature decided that it was better to cave to a small group of vocal Republicans who believe that sick 3-year-olds should be punished for their parents' actions.

[garbageseeker]

The reason why this was cut that this program was exculusively going to pay for illegal immigrant children health care. The liberalism from the LA Times is oozing from the opinion piece.

[Lurker]

My son had an "Ellis Island" simulation in his 5th grade class before his school year ended. It was pretty well done.

They had parents playing roles of the immigration officers, including a doctor and a couple of nurses in the role of medical officers. The teacher had a list of diseases that earned hopeful immigrants a trip back to their country of origin. It was a pretty long list IIRC.

My point is if there are illegal immigrants who have communicable diseases living in this country it would seem to me to be a good thing to find them and deport them as soon as possible.

Or are we supposed to wait for an outbreak of Chagas before we do anything?

L

[garbageseeker]

In the old days if you came to this country with a communicable disease you were booted out. You are absolutely correct.

[garbageseeker]

Why should I take care of an illegal immigrants children health care?

[managusta]

From the Illustrated London News 1870

Medical Inspector's Office

By the terms of the New Passenger Act, 12 and 13 Vict., c.33, no passenger-ship is allowed to proceed until a medical practitioner appointed by the emigration office of the port shall have inspected the medicine-chest and passengers, and certified that the medicines etc are sufficient, and that the passengers are free from contagious disease.

The master, owner, or charterer of the ship is bound to pay the medical inspector the sum of 1 Pound sterling for every 100 persons thus inspected. When the emigrant and his family have undergone this process, their passage-ticket is stamped, and they have nothing further to do, until they go on board, but to make their own private arrangements and provide themselves with outfits, or with such articles of luxury or necessity as they may desire over and above the ships allowance.

All persons who may be discovered to be affected with any infectious disease, either at the original port of embarkation or at any port in the United Kingdom into which the vessel may subsequently put, are to be re-landed, with those members of their families, if any, who may be dependent upon them, or unwilling to be separated from them, together with their clothes and effects.

Passengers re-landed are entitled to receive back their passage-money, which may be recovered from the party to whom it was paid, or from the owner, charterer, or master of the ship, by summary process, before two or more justices of the peace.

Roll-Call

This is one that occupies a considerable space of time, especially in a large ship, containing seven or eight hundred emigrants. The passengers-those in the state cabin excepted-being all assembled upon the Quarter-Deck, the clerk of the passenger-broker, accompanied by the ship's surgeon, and aided in the preservation of order by the crew, proceeds to call for the tickets.

The clerk, or man in authority, usually stands upon the rail, or other convenient elevation on the Quarter-Deck, so that he may be enabled to see over the heads of the whole assemblage-usually a very motley one-comprising people of all ages, from seven weeks to seventy years.

A double purpose is answered by the roll-call-the verification of the passenger-list, and the medical inspection of the emigrants, on behalf of the captain and owners. The previous inspection on the part of the governor was to prevent the risk of contagious disease on board. The inspection on the part of the owners is for a different object.

The ship has to pay a poll-tax of one dollar and a half per passenger to the State of New York; and if any of the poor emigrants are helpless and deformed persons, the owners are fined in the sum of seventy five dollars for bringing them, and are compelled to enter in a bond to the city of New York that they will not become a burden on the public.

To obviate this risk, the medical officer of the ship passes them under inspection; and if there be a pauper cripple among the number who cannot give security that he has friends in America to take charge of him of arrival, and provide for him afterwards, the captain may refuse to take him.

[garbageseeker]

This is absolutely fantastic. Excellent post!!

[garbageseeker]

What happened to the good ole days?

[libertylover]

...place far less strain on county hospitals and save taxpayers money over the long haul.

Damned idiots! What would put less strain on county hospitals and save taxpayer money over the long haul would be to deport those here illegally and spend the available money on those who follow the rule of law!

[raybbr]

To obviate this risk, the medical officer of the ship passes them under inspection; and if there be a pauper cripple among the number who cannot give security that he has friends in America to take charge of him of arrival, and provide for him afterwards, the captain may refuse to take him.

Or, take his money for the ride and then throw him overbord in the middle of the ocean......

[managusta]

The business of verification and inspection generally occupies from two to four hours, according to the number of emigrants on board; and, during its progress, some noteworthy incidents occasionally arise.

Sometimes an Irishman, with a wife and eight or ten children, who may have only paid a deposit of his passage-money, attempts to evade the payment of the balance, by pleading that he has not a farthing left in the world; and trusting that the ship will rather take him out to New York for the sum already paid, than incur the trouble of putting him on shore again with his family.

Sometimes a woman may have included in her passage-ticket an infant at the breast, and may be seen, when her name is called, panting under the weight of a boy of eight or nine years of age, whom she is holding to her bosom as if he were really a suckling.

Sometimes a youth of nineteen, strong and big as a man, has been entered as under twelve, in order to get across to America for half the fare of an adult; and sometimes a whole family are without any tickets, and have come on board in the hope that, amid the confusion which they imagine will be attendant upon the congregation of so many hundred people on a ship, they may manage to evade notice, and slip down unperceived amid those whose documents are found en règle.

These cases, as they occur, are placed on one side; and those who have duly paid their passage money, and produced their tickets, are allowed to pass down and take possession of their berths. Those who have not paid, either in whole or in part, and are either unable or unwilling to satisfy the claim against them, are then transferred on board the tug, with bag and baggage, to be reconveyed to port.

Those who have money, and have attempted a fraud, generally contrive, after many lamentations about their extreme poverty, to produce the necessary funds, which, in the shape of golden sovereigns are not unfrequently found to be safely stitched amid the rags of petticoats, coats, and unmentionable garments.

Those who have really no money, and who cannot manage to appeal to the sympathy of the crowd for a small subscription to help them to the New World, must resign themselves to their fate, and remain in the poverty from which they seek to free themselves, until they are able to raise the small sum necessary for their emancipation.

The stowaways, if any, are ordered to be taken before the magistrates; and all strangers and interlopers being safely placed in the tug, the emigrant ship is left to herself. May all prosperity attend her living freight!

From 1825 through 1850 Her Majesty's Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners maintained diligent records of all those emigrating from England to America, all 1,260,247 of them.

If they had enough money to bribe the crew, they had enough to pay their passage.

[Uncle Hal]

This article is pure BS. If we did not have illegals we would not be in this so called "health crisis." For all his weaknesses Arnold is far better than Phil.

[gogeo]

This can't help their circulation numbers.

[garbageseeker]

This article is pure BS

That is why it came from the LA Pravda editorial board

[garbageseeker]

The LA Pravda only caters to their readership who are the West Side liberals.

[garbageseeker]

bump

[garbageseeker]

I really would like your imput on this article.

[garbageseeker]

The LA Times has been losing readership because of their very liberal stance on issues such as illegal immigration.

[Liz]

We are threatened by an invading foreign force with no allegiance to our Nation that has threatened to takeover with the vote and with violence, if necessary.

Americans are defending our precious citizenship against those who would devalue it, who are dragging our country down into anarchy.

As we American patriots gathered to celebrate our 230 years of independence as a great nation, we are reminded how easily our freedoms, and our way of life, can be taken away from us.

Marcus Tullius Cicero Roman Statesman Speech in the Roman Senate - 42 BC "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. "

[Liz]

The sense of entitlement is horrendous. They demand we subsidize them and send billions out of our economy back to Mexico. This demonstrates the mindset of invasion rather than immigration-----and The Master Plan by illegals to overthrow the US government.

FReeper pax_et_bonum tells us that, "even the most responsible, rational, friendly students in my high school ESL class thought that their Mexican people were entitled to our land. Most of them weren't friendly but were resentful and/or obviously hate-filled toward me for no good reason. This is, no doubt, a violent foreign invasion."

Here's what we have to look forward to: Reconquista Armando Navarro 'Ethnic Studies' Professor at the University of California, Riverside Anti-American, Fifth-Column Menace. "Ladies and Gentlemen, what this means (the Senate immigration bill) is a transfer of power, it means control, and it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the twenty first century they are going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, even in the terms of an Aztlan...."

[Yaelle]

Wow.

You know we give aid to Mexico. We should subtract the health costs for ill illegals (no matter how long they've been here) from the aid amount. They would probably owe us millions.