Posted on 07/04/2006 11:16:49 PM PDT by Spiff
Despite the consistent failure of all guest worker plans (e.g., France), Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) is peddling a new plan to import foreign workers who really are guests and really do go home. Pence has turned his back on the 88 percent of House Republicans who voted that we must achieve border security first, because we'll be cheated on border security if Congress passes a "comprehensive" bill.
The Pence plan tries to avoid the amnesty label by requiring illegal aliens now in the U.S. to make what he calls "a quick trip across the border" to Mexico or Canada to pick up a new W visa. A foreigner could get a W visa only if a U.S. employer certifies that a job awaits him.
Pence's plan calls for setting up privately financed offices outside the U.S., with the cutesy title Ellis Island Centers, to hand out the new W visas, which he claims would be more efficient than government bureaucracy. Business would, indeed, be more efficient than government in importing more foreign workers.
Having private employment agencies distribute the W visas would put the fox in charge of the chicken coop. Private industry has a built-in incentive to import as much cheap labor as possible.
Pence says that the Ellis Island Centers will be able to match workers with jobs, perform health screening, fingerprinting, and convey information to the FBI and Homeland Security for a background check in "a matter of one week, or less." We'll have to see that to believe it.
What about the millions of illegal aliens in the U.S. today who do not have an employer willing to go on record as guaranteeing a job for a foreigner? These would include the relatives of jobholders, the day laborers, and the millions of illegal aliens working in the U.S. underground cash economy (an estimated 40 percent of the total).
Pence's bill is silent on this and his staff predicts that the free market will provide the answers. Pence told Time Magazine his bill "will require the 12 million illegal aliens to leave."
What about the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who are not Mexicans? Illegal aliens will not have to return to their home country, but only appear at an Ellis Island Center anywhere outside the U.S. to pick up their papers. Will Mexico and Canada put out the welcome mat for a mass exodus of illegal aliens from the U.S.?
The Pence plan provides that the guest workers, after living here legally for six years under the protection of a W visa, can choose whether to apply for citizenship or to return home. If guest workers don't apply for citizenship, will Pence hire buses to deport them after they have raised a family and established roots?
Six years is ample time to have a U.S.-born anchor baby, or two or three, which starts family chain migration. Any attempt to deal with the racket of birthright citizenship would linger at least six years in the courts.
The Pence promise that employers would have to offer jobs to Americans first is a sick joke. American engineers and computer techies who lost their jobs to foreigners under the H-1B visa guest-worker racket know that a look-for-Americans-first rule is never enforced and easily evaded.
Pence revealed an amazing open-ended part of his plan in his Wall Street Journal article: "My immigration reform plan does not favor illegal immigrants. Anyone may apply for a guest-worker visa at the new Ellis Island Centers; indeed, the plan may actually work to the advantage of applicants who have never violated our immigration laws, since guest-worker visas will be issued only outside the U.S."
Anyone may apply? From anywhere in the world? And without any limits? Pence wrote, "There will initially be no cap on the number of visas that can be issued."
The Pew Hispanic Center surveyed 120 locations in Mexico and concluded that 49 million Mexicans want to live in the United States if they get the opportunity.
If Pence's "guest worker" plan actually worked, and the guests voluntarily go home after six years, it would mean instituting a system that is immoral and un-American. Inviting foreigners to come to America to do jobs that Americans think they are too good to do creates a subordinate underclass of unassimilated foreign workers, like the serf or peasant classes that exist in corrupt foreign countries such as Mexico.
That's not the kind of economy that made America a great nation. As Theodore Roosevelt warned: "Never under any condition should this nation look at an immigrant as primarily a labor unit."
Pence and others who promote "guest worker" plans have a favorite mantra: "Let the free market solve our economic problems." Americans should realize that a global, or even a Western Hemisphere free market, means forcing American workers to compete with people who work for 50 cents an hour.
Letting the free market decide our future also requires loss of sovereignty to some kind of multinational government, as the European Union found out. Is the real push behind guest-worker proposals the Bush goal to expand NAFTA into the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, which he signed at Waco last year and reaffirmed at Cancun this year?
My pleasure Skippy.
I see.
So if I correctly follow you:
1) You Lie about my calling him a Liberal.
2) Instead of apologizing for this Lie, you infer I was secretly thinking it so I am not due an apology but instead further insult.
3) You Lie about my being a one issue poster though posting history clearly indicates otherwise.
4) And you still refuse to debate Schlafly's points but instead skate around on insults and lies to deflect from the fact Pence's plan has been exposed as amnesty. If not, you wouldn't be afraid to debate the points she lists in the articles with facts that state otherwise.
I'm quite aware you feel these tactics are successful? But I guarentee for every person who posts in this thread, far more are reading along willing to be convinced Pence does not support amnesty. And you haven't converted a single one of them with this display. Which is the only reason I am addressing you and some other tonight. You cannot defend his proposal, and they are witnessing that for themselves.
0-2...following along in the finest buchanan traditions...which is now 0-4.
Get used to it because before November the Pence bill will be law.
Schlafly's credibility is non-existent. The mind boggles that some of you build shrines to complete losers.
LOL! You finally got it right, Pence "does not support amnesty". So, what was it, Newt's support of Pence that rolled you?
Still having trouble with your reading comprehension skills I see. :-)
I'm still waiting for you to address her points rather then attack her.
It's getting late, feel free to begin anytime.
Not at all..."But I guarentee for every person who posts in this thread, far more are reading along willing to be convinced Pence does not support amnesty."
And they would be right...he doesn't support amnesty.
Of course. He doesn't support amnesty. Never has, and has even chastised President Bush on national TV for actually coming out in favor of amnesty. President Bush has felt the pressure over that, from within the party, and changed his stance.
Don't be grabbing your ankles so fast - - there's a lot of time between now and November.
Interesting seeing a Republican decrying about the free market.
Has it been introduced in the House? Who are the co-sponsors? What is the Bill number? What Committee has it been assigned to?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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Yes, yes and yes. Go find it yourself. I ain't your errand boy.
Her points are based on hysteria. There's nothing to dissect.
Man you are on a real roll tonight.
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Like I said little one do your own homework daddy can't do it for you.
Neither can you, it seems.
Exactly. It's all conjecture. Well, Pence conjectures differently than Schafly. So does Newt.
I read the Pence plan, and I think it's the best idea put forward thus far. I'll support the free market conjecture versus the Buchanan-like hysteria any day.
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