It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. These so-called 12 to 20 million, self-selected "guest workers" are really immigrants on the path to citizenship. Many would not even qualify for a visitor's visa into the US.
If you buy the Pence solution of having these illegals leave for a week and come back as "guest workers" then you are easily fooled. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck even if Pence calls it a cat. This is a transparent [for most of us] sham.
Yes, it is an amnesty type advantage to wait in country for a a green card, but three things. (1)They aren't cutting in front of others waiting in the green card line; (2) they aren't voting as citizens; (3) we don't see a slug of new voting citizens like we did under Reagan's amnesty without an increase in the green card quotas.There's the "amnesty".
"Amnesty-type advantage." LOL. That's a euphemism for amnesty. Getting a green card entitles you to permanent residency status, which includes sponsoring family members to immigrate to the US and allows, at the option of the individual, the person to apply for citizenship. Not being allowed to vote is not that big a deal if you have all the other advantages of citizenship. They will be allowed to vote if they apply for citizenship. Any children born here will be allowed to vote eventually as citizens.
Now add to that an enforcement first HR4437 type plan and I will gladly consider the above-type of amnesty if enforcement works over time.
The Pence amnesty is similar to the Senate bill except the Senate deports anyone who has been here less than two years. Pence also applies no caps to the number of "guest workers" who can come here for the first three years of his plan. As long as an employer is willing to sponsor someone, they can get in.
It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. These so-called 12 to 20 million, self-selected "guest workers" are really immigrants on the path to citizenship.
Oh cut the crap. I talk in specifics and you give me BS about the meaning of "is" and then some general slogan about "being on the path to citizenship".
Yes, it is an amnesty type advantage to wait in country for a a green card, but three things. (1)They aren't cutting in front of others waiting in the green card line; (2) they aren't voting as citizens; (3) we don't see a slug of new voting citizens like we did under Reagan's amnesty without an increase in the green card quotas.There's the "amnesty".
"Amnesty-type advantage." LOL. That's a euphemism for amnesty.
LOL, I call it an "amnesty-type advantage" and then I call it an "amnesty" in several parts of my post and you give me some BS about using a euphemism for an amnesty.
I've made my point and as I said before, add an enforcement first HR4437 type plan and I will gladly consider the above-type of amnesty if enforcement works over time.
I think most of the country will too.