It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. These so-called 12 to 20 million, self-selected "guest workers" are really immigrants on the path to citizenship.
Oh cut the crap. I talk in specifics and you give me BS about the meaning of "is" and then some general slogan about "being on the path to citizenship".
Yes, it is an amnesty type advantage to wait in country for a a green card, but three things. (1)They aren't cutting in front of others waiting in the green card line; (2) they aren't voting as citizens; (3) we don't see a slug of new voting citizens like we did under Reagan's amnesty without an increase in the green card quotas.There's the "amnesty".
"Amnesty-type advantage." LOL. That's a euphemism for amnesty.
LOL, I call it an "amnesty-type advantage" and then I call it an "amnesty" in several parts of my post and you give me some BS about using a euphemism for an amnesty.
I've made my point and as I said before, add an enforcement first HR4437 type plan and I will gladly consider the above-type of amnesty if enforcement works over time.
I think most of the country will too.
You either miss the point or refuse to get it. Just because Pence calls them "guest workers" doesn't make it so. The Clintonesque use of the language is meant to disguise what is happening. You seem to have bought it.
The path to citizenship is very clear. After the 12 to 20 million illegals self-deport for less than a week and are transformed into "guest workers," they can renew their W visas for up to six years and then have the option of returning home or applying for citizenship here. Pence doesn't indicate whether the W visa holders will be able to bring their families. If someone has been here since the last amnesty in 1986, there is no way that they are going to be deported. especially after spending an additional six years in "guest worker" status.
You are the one lacking specifics. The Pence Plan is quite specific about how the illegals will be dealt with. Just like McCain-Kennedy who deny that their plan is amnesty, Pence does the same thing. But the facts give the lie to such claims. We are rewarding people for illegal behavior.
LOL, I call it an "amnesty-type advantage" and then I call it an "amnesty" in several parts of my post and you give me some BS about using a euphemism for an amnesty.
So you agree that the Pence Plan is amnesty despite his claim that it isn't?
I've made my point and as I said before, add an enforcement first HR4437 type plan and I will gladly consider the above-type of amnesty if enforcement works over time. I think most of the country will too.
You didn't make your point and that is the problem. You are still trying to avoid calling it amnesty outright. It is not a "type of" amnesty, it is amnesty. Most of the American people want enforcement first and no additional guest worker program. The Pence plan will increae the number of guest workers by legalizing the 12 to 20 million here and allowing more to come in over the initial three year period of the plan with no cap on the numbers. It is worse than the Senate bill.