The Fish That Shoots Down Evolution

Vertical Thought Magazine ^ | June 2006 | Mario Seiglie

[Red Badger]

Hmm, slow changes over time to develop a specialty that insures survival. Sounds a lot like.... evolution.

A lot of fish must have starved to death over the millenia because of poor aim.............

[VadeRetro]

Does it also have polonium wings?

In a world with buffalo wings and fish balls, why not?

[Mike Darancette]

Are you saying that animals cannot learn from experience?

You're right fish do have schools. :)

[dmz]

Point is, if the Bible says it, it's true...
___________

Do you have an explanation for why serpents are no longer able to talk to humans?

Genesis 3 1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
(New King James Version)

[Plutarch]

Bump.

[DennisR]

Wow - no sense of humor?

[DennisR]

And neither did yours.

[sawmill trash]

A fascinating fish...

yep

[Andonius_99]

That disproves evolution because it's supposed to happen, not over a short period (15 yrs), but over giga-jillions of years! :-)

[Andonius_99]

was that when He was in college?

[Iscool]

Do you have an explanation for why serpents are no longer able to talk to humans?

Shirley you jest...

The Serpent that 'beguiled' Eve in the Garden of Eden still talks to people to this day...

[SaveUS]

"A lot of fish must have starved to death over the millenia because of poor aim............."

I find it a tad bit humorous that anyone could think that this tool that developed in this fish developed for the sole purpose of shooting water. It now looks like it is a perfect device, but doesn't mean that the sole means of catching prey was this device. It very well could be that this adaptation may have started to pull food from crevaces sort of like an anteater. And, over time, it just transformed. You know, evolution. Otherwise, it was instantaneous ZAP! by Jeanie. I'll stick with evolution.

[Redcloak]

My point is that the evolution of flatfishes is easier to accept since no special behavior is needed to support the physiological changes to the animal. Bottom dwelling ambush hunters existed before the flatfishes; thus, the "software" for the flatfishes' specialized "hardware" already existed. The Archerfish is another matter. To evolve naturally, both the mouth groove and the instinct to use that groove must evolve together. But neither attribute works in a partially formed state; aggressively drooling won't get an ancient Archerfish his meal. If the instinct to spit water doesn't exist, then there's no advantage to a mouth groove. If the mouth groove doesn't exist, then there's no reason to evolve an instinct to spit water. You have an evolutionary Catch-22.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

I suppose the Seventh-Day Adventists will eventually catch up.

[From many - one.]

#1. I like the phrase "aggressively drooling"


Thing is...fish already spit (ok, drool enthusiastically). Watch a goldfish sometime. Or go fishing and note the fish spitting out bits of bait along with the hook.

So all that was needed was for the groove to happen and the groovy fish to eat better because, at least sometimes, when they spit it landed them a bit of food.

[Junior]

Point is, if the Bible says it, it's true...

Bats are birds. Check.
Grasshoppers have four legs. Check.
Rabbits chew cud. Check.

Reality...

[balrog666]

Many types of fish (among other animals) use "jets" of water to uncover prey, disorient them, flip them about, etc. The only novel part here is that the archerfish shoots at prey above water.

No catch-22.

Just simple evolution.

[donh]

My point is that the evolution of flatfishes is easier to accept since no special behavior is needed to support the physiological changes to the animal. Bottom dwelling ambush hunters existed before the flatfishes; thus, the "software" for the flatfishes' specialized "hardware" already existed. The Archerfish is another matter. To evolve naturally, both the mouth groove and the instinct to use that groove must evolve together. But neither attribute works in a partially formed state; aggressively drooling won't get an ancient Archerfish his meal. If the instinct to spit water doesn't exist, then there's no advantage to a mouth groove. If the mouth groove doesn't exist, then there's no reason to evolve an instinct to spit water. You have an evolutionary Catch-22.

How do you let such feeble bs pursuade you? Consider the locked knee joint. There is no value in a half-formed locked knee joint, because only a fully formed locked knee joint enables you to stand upright. And, and, wait, this is really good, consider the software--bipedal balance is of no use until you have locking knee joints. Ain't the world full of incredible miracles? Good grief, how gullible can you get? How simple-minded a comic-book picture of the real world can you maintain? I think you're pushing the envelope. Physical traits exist because they are pushed into existence gradually enough, by a gradually changing environment, for the speed limits of mutation to keep up with. These abrupt, steep barriers to functionality you and the Discovery Instutute are so keen on don't exist, until someone demonstrates they exist, and the efforts so far, including yours, are a laughable tribute to an active and aggressive lack of imagination: you don't need a fully formed groove matched to a fully formed angle calculator to take down prey with a rudiment of the facilities in place, as anyone in a backyard pond could demonstrate.

[VOA]

How 'bout that other Archerfish:
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-usn/usnsh-a/ss311.htm

Lived up to it's namesake by claiming the largest warship ever sunk during combat.

[SaveUS]

"Bats are birds. Check.
Grasshoppers have four legs. Check.
Rabbits chew cud. Check.

Reality..."

Then we start looking at something like the Platypus and realize God must have done some creating in those awkward experimenting teenage years. A mammal that lays eggs, and has a duck bill. Robin Williams was so funny with that.