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1 posted on 07/03/2006 3:46:40 PM PDT by motife
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To: motife

Not good...


2 posted on 07/03/2006 3:49:05 PM PDT by dakine
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To: motife

Ick


3 posted on 07/03/2006 3:49:20 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: motife

String'em up. We dont need criminals like this representing America..


4 posted on 07/03/2006 3:50:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Allah is the opium pipedream of a desert pedophile...Freeper Ax)
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To: motife

This one looks like it has legs.


5 posted on 07/03/2006 3:51:33 PM PDT by rocksblues (Liberals will stop at nothing.)
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To: motife

I think we need to wait for the case to come to court. Every one is pressumed innocent until proven guilty. However, if he is indeed proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, he should pay the ultimate price.


6 posted on 07/03/2006 3:52:44 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: motife

I'll wait for the facts to come out on this before jerking my knee like the other posters did on this thread.


8 posted on 07/03/2006 3:53:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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I suspect that their may be a serious leadership problem in this platoon/company/battalion. That said, this battalion has been taking some serious casualties of late. Not an excuse for this sort of thing, but just an acknowledgement that we are expecting a great deal from these young men. Almost all will rise to the occasion and act bravely and honorably. My own experience has been that when acts of indiscipline occur - look to the leaders, something is not right at that level.


14 posted on 07/03/2006 3:56:49 PM PDT by centurion316 (Democrats - Al Qaida's Best Friends)
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Alcohol-fueled?

Another, not good...


21 posted on 07/03/2006 4:01:09 PM PDT by dakine
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It may be true, but...

Is it just me, or have accusations like this been flying since Haditha? Hardly a week goes by that doesn't see charges of rape and murder leveled against GIs.


22 posted on 07/03/2006 4:02:34 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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..look at the leadership in this unit...


29 posted on 07/03/2006 4:11:31 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S. Army 1967-1991, U.S.Army Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning)
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Try and execute any guilty parties, and then get on with the business at hand.


33 posted on 07/03/2006 4:18:39 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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"Discharged due to a personality disorder"?Anyone know what that means?


34 posted on 07/03/2006 4:19:01 PM PDT by Thombo2
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The telling of the tale just doesn't sound right.

Vocabulary not quite right. Where would they have gotten flammable material to burn the body?

Just something not fitting here.

42 posted on 07/03/2006 4:56:04 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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Since when is an AK-47 a "submachine gun"?


44 posted on 07/03/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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Sounds like a death penalty case to me....personality disorder ain't going to cut it....


59 posted on 07/03/2006 5:30:23 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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alcohol-fueled rape , Green fired shots from an AK-47 submachine gun

This stinks to high heaven. According to General Order #1, troops are not permitted to consume alcoholic beverages while in Iraq or Afghanistan. Also, troops are not permitted to carry or use foreign arms while in the Area of Operations. If this was occurring, it is a failure of the chain-of command.

After all the troops who have been charged lately, I will wait to see what the courts determine. IMO, our judicial system is being used against our troops to undermine the military's efforts.

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67 posted on 07/03/2006 5:49:42 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Life is a sexually transmitted disease. -R. D. Laing)
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The available evidence suggests these allegations are of an entirely different kind than the Haditha allegations. Haditha happened within the context of combat following an enemy operation. This case looks more like thug criminal behavior, the kind that justly earns the offender multiple death sentences.

We'll have to see how this plays out.

80 posted on 07/03/2006 6:06:23 PM PDT by JCEccles
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Now there is an affadavit. The soldier was arrested in Asheville I believe and arraigned just down the road in Charlotte. Thoughts? They don't arrest people based on MSM conspiracies.

Two other soldiers from the division's 502nd Infantry Regiment who were present and interviewed by investigators said Green fired shots from an AK-47 submachine gun that killed the woman, as well as three members of her family: a man, woman and a young girl.

It is a statistical fact that some (more than one) of these sorts are going to be in a population of 150,000+

84 posted on 07/03/2006 6:12:52 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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How many death warrants did Ike sign for this kind of thing just during the occupation of Paris? IIRC, it was several dozen.


94 posted on 07/03/2006 6:30:00 PM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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more info from the New York Times :
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/us/04arrest.html
July 4, 2006
Ex-G.I. Accused of Murders and Rape in Iraq
By DAVID S. CLOUD and KIRK SEMPLE
WASHINGTON, July 3 — A recently discharged Army private has been arrested on charges of raping an Iraqi woman and killing her and three family members four months ago in their house in the Iraqi town of Mahmudiya, federal prosecutors said Monday.

The former soldier, Steven D. Green, 21, had recently been discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder," the prosecutors said. They said Mr. Green and other soldiers had discussed the rape in advance, and carried out the crimes after drinking alcohol, leaving a checkpoint and changing from their uniforms into black clothing.

A criminal complaint made public by the prosecutors on Monday charged that Mr. Green shot the three family members, including a child, with an AK-47 assault rifle found in the house before he and another soldier raped the woman. Citing interviews with unnamed participants, the document alleges that Mr. Green, his face covered with a brown T-shirt, then "walked over to the woman and shot her several times." It says the soldiers returned to the checkpoint with blood on their clothes and agreed that the episode was "never to be discussed again."

Mr. Green, who appeared in federal court on Monday in Charlotte, N.C., was arrested there on Friday, the prosecutors said. The documents they made public provided the first official account of the rape and killings, whose broad outlines emerged last week after American military officials in Baghdad said they were investigating the incident. The military originally thought Iraqi insurgents were responsible after several Iraqis approached an American checkpoint and said a family had been killed in their home, the charging documents said.

The rape victim was identified in the American court documents as a 25-year-old woman, but there have been conflicting accounts of her age. In Iraq, the mayor of Mahmudiya said Monday that the rape victim had been only 15 years old.

The mayor, Mouayid Fadhil, said that those killed included the rape victim's parents and her 7-year-old sister, and that the attackers also tried to set the rape victim's body on fire, apparently in an effort to cover up evidence. American officials said they could not confirm that the house had been set on fire by soldiers. But the complaint refers to crime scene photographs, including one showing a "burned body."

The case is one of five recent incidents in which American military personnel have come under investigation for killing unarmed Iraqis, and it is the first in which an alleged participant has been charged in civilian courts, which prosecutors said was necessitated by Mr. Green's discharge.

A White House spokeswoman, Dana Perino, said: "We understand that charges have been brought against the individual. The president has full confidence in the military to investigate alleged crimes and to punish anyone convicted of abhorrent behavior that dishonors the proud traditions of our military. He will not comment on ongoing investigations so as not to prejudice the outcome; however, he believes that 99.9 percent of our men and women in uniform are performing their jobs honorably and skillfully and they deserve our full appreciation and gratitude."

The charges were brought against Mr. Green after public disclosure of the investigation last week led prosecutors to fear he might attempt to flee, said Marisa Ford, an assistant United States attorney in Louisville, Ky., where the charges were brought.

The prosecutors said Mr. Green was likely to be transferred next week to Louisville, which is four hours away from Fort Campbell, Ky., where his unit, the 101st Airborne Division, has its headquarters.

Cecilia Osequera, a public defender who represented Mr. Green at his court appearance Monday, declined to comment.

The case is in federal court because the crime was committed abroad. The Army is considering whether it could reactivate Mr. Green in order to allow the military to prosecute him, rather than leaving the case to civilian authorities, an Army official said. If convicted in either military or civilian court, Mr. Green could face the death penalty, prosecutors and Army officials said.

American military officials have said they first learned about the rape and killings last month, after Mr. Green left the Army. He had received an honorable discharge after only 11 months in the service because of what the charging documents described only as a "personality disorder." His departure was unrelated to the incident, the Army official said, adding that he had no more information about Mr. Green's disorder.

Army officials and prosecutors said that, before his arrest, Mr. Green may have been planning to attend a funeral service Saturday at Arlington National Cemetery for Specialist David J. Babineau, one of three soldiers who were ambushed at a checkpoint in Yusufiya in June. Two other soldiers who survived the ambush were taken prisoner by insurgents and later killed and mutilated.

Though Mr. Green and the three ambush victims reportedly came from the same unit, the 502nd Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne, so far, the Army official said there was no evidence that the Americans had been abducted in retaliation for the rape and murder of the Iraqis.

Other participants in the crimes are likely to be charged by military prosecutors and face court-martial, a prosecutor involved said.

At least three other soldiers suspected of involvement in the rape and murder of the Iraqis are being held in a military base in Iraq, but several soldiers interviewed by prosecutors, identified in charging documents only as "sources of information," said that Mr. Green was responsible for the killings and that he and an another unidentified soldier, referred to as a "known participant" committed the rape.

The incident came to light last month after soldiers in the regiment were undergoing "a combat stress debriefing" related to the ambush of three Americans, the charging documents said. After entering the house, the compliant alleged that Mr. Green herded family members into a back bedroom and closed the door. After shots were heard, he emerged, telling the other soldiers, "I just killed them. All are dead," according to one unidentified soldier.

Participants in the attacks later told another soldier who had remained behind at the checkpoint to "dispose of the AK-47 in a canal across the street," the document says.

The Iraqi mayor, Mr. Fadhil, said the body of the rape victim, Abeer Qasem Hamzeh, had multiple bullet wounds and burn marks. Abeer's sister, Hadeel, was shot in the head, the mayor said, reading from a hospital report, her father, Qasem Hamzeh Rasheed, who was in his mid-40's, suffered head trauma; and her mother, Fakhariya Taja Muhassain, was shot multiple times.

Three sons were at school at the time of the March 12 attack, the mayor added.

An American military official, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record, said investigators still had no firm ages for the family members and said the rape victim had been classified by Iraqis in Mahmudiya as an "adult." But in Iraq, girls who have reached child-bearing age are often referred to as adults.

American military officials announced their investigation into the attack last week and said they were pursuing allegations that soldiers from the 502nd Infantry Regiment were involved.

A committee of Iraqi officials opened its own investigation into the case on Saturday after conversations with the American military, Mr. Fadhil said. The committee includes Mr. Fadhil, a judge from Mahmudiya, the director of the town's hospital, the local police chief, a member of the Mahmudiya town council and a representative from the Iraqi Army, the mayor said.

An Army spokesman, Maj. Todd Breasseale, said the American authorities welcomed the development. "We would encourage any civilian judiciary or any civilian legislative arm to explore their own investigation," he said in a telephone interview. "That's what a free and open government system does. We wouldn't even think to hinder it."

David S. Cloud reported from Washington for this article, Kirk Semple from Baghdad. Mona Mahmoud contributed reporting from Baghdad.



97 posted on 07/03/2006 6:55:57 PM PDT by motife
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