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To: John Valentine
There isn't a shred of doubt . . .

Yes, there is. I've posted mine a number of times on threads about this subject.

Keep in mind that I also thoroughly debunked the silly notion that the New York Times committed any kind of crime when it "revealed" all that information about a so-called "top secret NSA electronic surveillance program."

91 posted on 06/30/2006 4:01:26 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Alberta's Child

"Keep in mind that I also thoroughly debunked the silly notion that the New York Times committed any kind of crime when it "revealed" all that information about a so-called 'top secret NSA electronic surveillance program.'"

You mean that your citation of a television newsclip from a liberal television station (to which you couldn't provide a link) was a "thorough debunk"?


93 posted on 06/30/2006 4:49:23 PM PDT by RAldrich
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To: Alberta's Child

I'm afraid I have to chalk ou up as a nutter.

Your debunking is contrary to what I know to be true and is undoubtedly based on uninformed and faulty reasoning.


103 posted on 06/30/2006 6:24:28 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Alberta's Child
Let me ask you this then:

Do you beleive that Congress did not pass, and the President not sign into Law, Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 37, Section 798 of the US Code?

But, in fact it did and he did. The law states:

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—

(1) concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or

(2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or

(3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or

(4) obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) As used in subsection (a) of this section—

The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;

The terms “code,” “cipher,” and “cryptographic system” include in their meanings, in addition to their usual meanings, any method of secret writing and any mechanical or electrical device or method used for the purpose of disguising or concealing the contents, significance, or meanings of communications;

The term “foreign government” includes in its meaning any person or persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any faction, party, department, agency, bureau, or military force of or within a foreign country, or for or on behalf of any government or any person or persons purporting to act as a government within a foreign country, whether or not such government is recognized by the United States;

The term “communication intelligence” means all procedures and methods used in the interception of communications and the obtaining of information from such communications by other than the intended recipients;

The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States.

(c) Nothing in this section shall prohibit the furnishing, upon lawful demand, of information to any regularly constituted committee of the Senate or House of Representatives of the United States of America, or joint committee thereof.

(d)

(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States irrespective of any provision of State law—

(A) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such violation; and

(B) any of the person’s property used, or intended to be used, in any manner or part, to commit, or to facilitate the commission of, such violation.

(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1).

(3) Except as provided in paragraph (4), the provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853 (b), (c), and (e)–(p)), shall apply to—

(A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;

(B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and

(C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property, if not inconsistent with this subsection.

(4) Notwithstanding section 524 (c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund established under section 1402 of the Victims of Crime Act of 1984 (42 U.S.C. 10601) all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

(5) As used in this subsection, the term “State” means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and any territory or possession of the United States.

Now, just how do think this law does NOT apply to the New York Times, its editors and publishers, in the face of what appears to be a face-front slam dunk word-for-word application to their actions, even allowing for a government seizure of the buildings, paper, presses, delivery trucks and all other physical assets of the New York Times used to facilitate their violation.

Or do you believe this law to be unconsitutional?

If that is so, I have to tell you that your reasoning on that issue would have to be very unique and ingenious to have even the slightest plausibility. Legal consensus in NOT on your side.

105 posted on 06/30/2006 6:46:30 PM PDT by John Valentine
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