Posted on 06/30/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway
I believe Ann isn't smart enough to realize how stupid she is.
He knows what it is, he doesn't know you. You have a problem with him, take it up with him. And it is interesting that, though you "didn't bother to read his conclusions", you did bother to post me and tell me about it.
Do not bother me by posting a comment on something you didn't read.
Yea, I understand. But why should something that doesn't matter in the whole theater of life be such a divisive issue?
I mean, I understand it matters to many people. But what would happen if, say, someday Jesus appears or some inarguable evidence comes to light proving creationism or evolution? So what? I guess the creationist or evolutionist would get to say Nah-Nah-Nah but other that that what's the point?
Can you not refute it? He makes a good argument. Is he right? Is he wrong? Why?
Sadly, I too have come to a similar conclusion.
If it told you why he didn't live immorally while not being a theist, then you learned something.
Immorality? What is that?
At a minimum, not living by the laws of the group, which is usually punishable by exile or death.
How can there be immorality in a jungle where only the "fittest" can or will survive?
It's the survival of the fittest species, not the fittest individual. And individualism doesn't always lead to survival of the species.
Do you not think humans have more of a reason to live over other species?
Are lions immoral for being predators of gazelles?
How could it possibly be immoral for a carnivore to feed?
Buddha taught a moral code that relied on logic, not God.
Also, Book-TV is filming my talk at the John Locke Foundation this Thurs. but I don't know when it will run.
I know I shouldn't but here goes.
"Even apes understand that that sort of behavior is a recipe for disaster. And humans have even more of an ability to use their minds to understand why short-term selfish gains are *not* worthwhile or desirable strategies in the long run. Instead, cooperation, mutual altruism, "golden rule" ethics, and so on are vastly more effective ways to enhance even your *own* net benefits in a society, as well as the welfare of others. It's a win-win situation."
So then why do many humans not do the right thing? Many, and sometimes I think most, humans don't understand that "short term selfish gains" are not worth it. But, I believe that what you posted should be the goal for everyone on earth. To me that is what the meaning of getting closer to God is. But for you to say that 'cause humans and apes might have these traits in common is yet more proof of evolution seems flawed. Actually it sounds like maybe apes evolved from humans.
No, it was a response. I was still making the point that Ann was trying to accomplish something different than what he thought she was trying to argue.
Can you not argue the post? He makes a point.
Yes, but about a different subject. I'd like to see someone try to refute it, but if this is the best I'm going to get, I'll concede his point.
I'm sorry, but is that supposed to be a threat? I'm not performing nor am I engaging in a sport. I'm not going to worry about what points you cede or don't cede.
Shalom.
Well, we all knew that.
I'm not sure of your point. In your opinion what is morality based upon?
Shalom.
I have no interest in reading all of it, let alone refuting it. Most of the time I discuss evolution I find that we can't agree on the basis of the discussion. Without that, there is no purpose in having the discussion. I am tired enough of that disconnect that I don't even join in the discussion anymore.
Shalom.
Good question. May come back to this later.
Congratulations on your successes. Too bad about the CBS camera crew. My guess: camera crews may be the better part of CBS.
The basis of biology and evolution is survival of the species. Anyone acting immoral threatens the species thus the members of the species would 'reinforce' to him that he was not acting in the interest of the species. From many such interactions over eons, a moral code would develope.
'specially those making sure their cameras were off while they technicians rigged the 'bombs' under the pickup truck.
You are not embarassed by the behavior of such consistent Christians as Hitler, Jim Jones and Robert Byrd? You do not see the connections between their thoughts and their actions? You wish to hallow the thought behind the actions, while disavowing the consequences?
...the tongue-in-cheek theme of liberalism being a religion.
&&&&&
Ann is deadly earnest about liberalism being a religion. Liberals believe in themselves and in government and in silencing any contrary perspective, because it is "wrong" or "insensitive." Their views prevail in government schools, to the exclusion of all others, and should be recognized to mean that they have established a "state religion" of a-theism.
When I was about 19 (maybe 20, I forget) years old, I apparently stunned the very young almost ordained catholic priest Jesuit of my acquaintance with a simple question.
I said or asked, if he thought an image is something that you see, or something that you look to.
Clearly we viewed the world through different prisms.
Later that day, month, year, whatever....
One of his disciples showed up on my TV. Channel 5, Boston.
He was whining about gay rights and other stuff like that. I never even knew that this particular fellow was a sodomite. I just knew him, and the on TV editorial thing sort of surprised me.
I never saw him again, and I suppose that he is dead now because of that incredibly discriminatory virus which attacks the T cells of it's victims.
T cells are your best friends until you introduce them to the HIV cells who are there because of bad behavior, or bad medical practices, or bad Karma. It is uglier than that actually.
Meanwhile, back at the rant, an image from here is something that you look to.
If you want to imply with sinister intent that God looks like somebody...well then welcome to my attitude toward stupid blow hards.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.