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Flaws in T 90 Main Battle Tanks troubles Indian Army
India Defence ^ | 6/13/2006 | Asia Age

Posted on 06/29/2006 9:18:44 PM PDT by managusta

Chandigarh: Inducted to serve as India's main battle tank just over three years ago, the Army's fleet of Russian-built T-90s have run into serious trouble.

The problems include critical flaws in its fire control system, availability of ammunition and, what military officers said, was avoidable overuse during training exercises, rendering many tanks in need of overhaul.

According to Jane's Defence Weekly, the tank's continuing technical flaws are "adversely impinging on the Indian Army's operational preparedness."

Confirming the Jane's report, senior Army officers told this newspaper that the French Catherine thermal imaging (TI) camera, which gives the T-90's Belarussian (Peling IG-46) night sight its 3 km range and higher accuracy, is not "adequately tropicalised" and hence prone to malfunctioning in the extreme heat of the Rajasthan desert region, where temperatures inside the MBT routinely average between 55ºC and 60ºC.

During repeated manoeuvres in the Thar Desert, where the T-90s will ultimately be deployed in the event of an outbreak in hostilities, prolonged use under high temperatures had already "knocked out" between 80 and 90 of the Catherine TI cameras, rendering the FCS "unserviceable." The officers said that repeated efforts to correct the problem had been without success.

The TI cameras are the crucial "eyes" of the tank's systems. At Rs 2 crores each, the Catherine TI system comprises almost one-sixth of each T-90's total cost of Rs 11.75 crores.

One of the options currently being explored to rectify the FCS is to locally develop an airconditioning plant for the TI camera. For this, a former director-general of mechanised forces is understood to have already held discussions with some French manufacturers, including Thales (which makes the Catherine TI cameras). However, neither this nor the local vendors called in by the DRDO have had any success in this matter.

The Army, incidentally, does not have a D-G for its mechanised forces after Lt. Gen. G.D. Singh became deputy chief of staff at Army Headquarters recently. Under the circumstances, it could take any new D-G who is appointed quite a while before he can adequately address the T-90's problems, possibly further delaying the MBT's operational preparedness.

The problem of successfully integrating the Catherine TI camera with the Belarussian IG-46 sight is also believed to have considerably delayed the licensed production of T-90s at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) at Avadi. Sources said the indigenous T-90 production, as part of the transfer of technology agreement signed with Russia, which was scheduled to begin in 2006, has been deferred after problems were encountered in fitting out the FCS in assembled tanks. Of the total of 310 T-90 tanks, 124 were bought fully formed and kits were imported for the remaining 186 to be assembled at Avadi. The first locally-assembled T-90s rolled out of the HVF in January 2004, but these too have run into problems with the FCS.

According to the transfer of technology agreement, the T-90's IG-46 sights were to be made at the Opto Electrics Factory at Dehra Dun, the gun at the Ordnance Factory Board facility at Rishikesh and its 1,000-horsepower engine by Bharat Earth Movers Ltd. All the three projects stand deferred, official sources said.

The T-90s are also facing a host of other problems, including a nearly exhausted inventory of ammunition. The tank's 125 mm smooth-bore gun is electronically configured to fire imported Russian AMK-338 and AMK-339 shells, the supply of which has run out after innumerable exercises.

Surprisingly, the T-90's gun has not been configured to fire the Indian-made AMK-340 shells. These shells have turned out rather dubious in quality, with over 150,000 rounds having to be destroyed, leading to the loss of over Rs 700 crores. Some AMK-340 shells have even burst inside the tanks, killing crew members, in at least one instance at Babina. Armoured Corps officers said many tank crews, who feared the shells would explode inside the barrel, had refused to use the faulty ammunition, and when forced to do so went to elaborate lengths, enabling them to fire from outside the tank.

According to the Armoured Corps officers, the ordnance factory board had triple-packed the 125 mm AMK-340 shells with propellant, but without adequate packing in between the layers to prevent leakage at high temperatures in which they are stored, often under the open sun. This had led not only to a near-complete freeze on regular firings but also "severely dented" the confidence of tank crews, sources said.

The Secunderabad-based Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL), which was scheduled to start production of 9M119 Refleks missiles for the T-90 early this year, has also fallen badly behind schedule amid failed trials. BDL is believed to have sought technical assistance from the Russians in building the Refleks (Nato designation: AT-11 Sniper) missile.

It was the T-90's missile-firing capability that had initially clinched the Army's decision in its favour way back in 2001. But with BDL unable to supply the missiles and the endless problems with the fire control system, many officers are of the view that the tank appears little better than the already proven T-72, also currently in service with the Indian Army.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armstrade; india; indianarmy; miltech; t90; tank; tankers
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The Indian Army....ripped off by both the Russians and the French.

The visual of the T-90 stopping and the crew leaping out unrolling 20 yards of string to fire the main armament, then rolling up the extended firing device while piling into the tank exceeds any film sequence featuring the Keystone cops.

FYI a crore is 10 million.

1 posted on 06/29/2006 9:18:46 PM PDT by managusta
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The problems include critical flaws in its fire control system, availability of ammunition and, what military officers said, was avoidable overuse during training exercises, rendering many tanks in need of overhaul.

The main problem is that the M1A Abrams tanks can kill them day or night, through sand dunes, while in motion, outside of the T-90's range of fire.

2 posted on 06/29/2006 9:27:28 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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To: managusta

In T-90 the "T" stands for target.


3 posted on 06/29/2006 9:31:54 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: managusta

Well, slapping a few Peltier junction plates on that thermal imaging camera would cool its innards while heating the external surface even more. At a surplus place one Peltier plate is about $15. Say, they need 20 of them [10 would do, but say 20]. $300 plus thermal insulation and few wires. Where are you, Asok the Intern?


4 posted on 06/29/2006 9:33:27 PM PDT by GSlob
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It's because the T-90, as with all the T models are POS!

If ya got a lot of em, like the Russians did in WWII with the T-34, and you have a nation to supply you with parts, like the US did with lend lease, then you're ok.

Otherwise, go with the suicide bomber....the MSM loves the suicide bombers!


5 posted on 06/29/2006 9:35:24 PM PDT by Redleg1963
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To: EricT.

...appears little better than the already proven T-72, also currently in service with the Indian Army.



Um yeah, we can kill that one too. Want proof? ;)


6 posted on 06/29/2006 9:35:39 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascism, now ACT LIKE IT, PRESIDENT BUSH!)
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To: EricT.
Perhaps these tanks are designed like the Italian tanks were in WWII with high survivability. The Italian tanks would usually break down before they got to the battle therefore ensuring they would not be destroyed unless you burned the maintenance facility down.
7 posted on 06/29/2006 9:36:58 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (I SHOT DOWN TWA 800 AND FR IS CLOSING IN ON ME)
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You forgot a main component of WWII Italian tanks. They were the only tanks in the war equipped with backup lights.


8 posted on 06/29/2006 9:41:29 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: managusta
Battle proven: M1A1 Abrams


9 posted on 06/29/2006 9:41:42 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yes, but I'm sure they were very stylish.


10 posted on 06/29/2006 9:47:06 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I swear this is no feces, but when I was in Germany working in an MI unit in 1977, the Germans decided to build a tank factory in Italy. They were building the Lion tank which was the export version of the Leopard. They had a big ceremony when the plant was finished and had German minister of defense to make a speech. When he was talking about the difference between the Lion and the Leopard, he said the transmission was put it backwards. It caused an international incident.


11 posted on 06/29/2006 9:47:25 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (I SHOT DOWN TWA 800 AND FR IS CLOSING IN ON ME)
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To: SFC Chromey; U S Army EOD

I am convinced that seeing what our tanks did to those Soviet tanks in Gulf War I caused alot of the Soviet hierachy to collectively crap their pants. They surely had battle plans laid out that involved large scale armored invasions of western Europe. Watching our Abrams tanks single handedly gang-raping whole units of their best equipment must have disabused them of that idea. Probably no coincidence that the Soviet Union fell just a couple years after that.


12 posted on 06/29/2006 9:48:54 PM PDT by EricT. (SpecOps needs to paint the NYT building with a targeting laser.)
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"temperatures inside the MBT routinely average between 55ºC and 60ºC."

That'd fry your brains out. About 135-140 degrees F


13 posted on 06/29/2006 9:53:06 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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You forgot a main component of WWII Italian tanks. They were the only tanks in the war equipped with backup lights.

I heard it was rear view mirrors

14 posted on 06/29/2006 9:53:12 PM PDT by Ceebass
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To: EricT.

M1 ABRAMS TANK was one of the first computer games that came out. It did pretty good against the Russian equipment and I used to think that it would sure be nice if this was real life. Actually, in real life, it performed much better than the game showed that I wouldn't believe.


15 posted on 06/29/2006 9:55:55 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (I SHOT DOWN TWA 800 AND FR IS CLOSING IN ON ME)
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To: managusta
prone to malfunctioning in the extreme heat of the Rajasthan desert region, where temperatures inside the MBT routinely average between 55ºC and 60ºC.

But they looked great in Siberia.

16 posted on 06/29/2006 9:56:03 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: managusta
Here they come!

17 posted on 06/29/2006 10:00:38 PM PDT by wolficatZ (Here come the "this is sad" people!)
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To: managusta
The visual of the T-90 stopping and the crew leaping out unrolling 20 yards of string to fire the main armament, then rolling up the extended firing device while piling into the tank exceeds any film sequence featuring the Keystone cops.

Has anyone taped their calls to Tech Support?

18 posted on 06/29/2006 10:03:28 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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The visual of the T-90 stopping and the crew leaping out unrolling 20 yards of string to fire the main armament, then rolling up the extended firing device while piling into the tank exceeds any film sequence featuring the Keystone cops.

LoL! What a sight that must be

The French made white flag deployment device works flawlessly however.

19 posted on 06/29/2006 10:06:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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Did you see the piece about the US finding a WWI French tank in a Afghanistan junk yard? The second known surviving unit.

Sent to the US for restoration for the tank museum. Something like a then state of the technology 30hp Renault engine, iirc.

20 posted on 06/29/2006 10:14:04 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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