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To: dpwiener; retMD

Why are you going out of your way to defend the indefensible? I don't care how much they spend on education or malaria prevention. The money to PP and the other culture-of-death organizations is blood money, and the light needs to be put on them.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 4:43:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you wish to go to extremes, let it be in... patience, humility, & charity." -St. Philip Neri)
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To: Pyro7480
I don't care how much they spend on education or malaria prevention.

You should care about bearing false witness against thy neighbor. I hear it's on somebody's Top Ten list of Things Not To Do.

33 posted on 06/29/2006 4:58:02 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Pyro7480

Why are you going out of your way to defend the indefensible? I don't care how much they spend on education or malaria prevention.

- I'm a great believer in arguing from the facts. The statement "the world’s second richest man giving the bulk of his immense fortune to the world’s richest man for the singular purpose of population control" was not true. The figures clearly show that.

- I'm not so ready as you are to disdain the good done for babies and children (and adolescents and adults) by billions for vaccination, medication and education.

- I think contraception can be a good thing. A friend who did medical work in Africa noted that many children died when they were in the one to two year old age range. They died because as as soon as there was a new baby, the mother had to spend all her time on the new baby, leaving the toddler in the care of older children, or to fend for themselves. It was no surprise that many died from drowning, injuries or disease. Spacing the children out with contraception could mean that more children survive.

Note that I don't support forced contraception, but the availability is a good thing. Studies show that spacing of pregancies affects the health of the mother and the health of the baby.

38 posted on 06/29/2006 5:37:52 PM PDT by retMD
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To: Pyro7480
Why are you going out of your way to defend the indefensible? I don't care how much they spend on education or malaria prevention. The money to PP and the other culture-of-death organizations is blood money, and the light needs to be put on them.

If you want to attack the Gates Foundation for donating $33.5 million to Planned Parenthood, be my guest. I understand where you're coming from, and you're welcome to your opinion.

But trying to paint the entire Gates Foundation, including Buffett's new $37 billion contribution, as being solely intended to promote abortions is manifestly false. Indeed, it seems clear that the Gates Foundation spends vastly more to prevent children from dying (the Save The Children project), and even larger sums to prevent people of all ages from dying (the Malaria Vaccine Initiative). Far from aiding in "population control", the net results of grants from the Gates Foundation will be a significant increase in population.

I can understand your viewpoint that all these good works do not compensate for enabling more abortions via Planned Parenthood. But that does not justify lies about the purpose of the Gates Foundation or Buffett's contribution to it. Nor does it do you and other people who share your viewpoint any good to be caught spreading such hyperbolic nonsense. All it does is destroy your credibility.

Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer came up with a clever play on words ("The Hell of Gates") which he could not resist trying to turn into an article, and he was not about to let the actual facts of the matter get in his way.

41 posted on 06/29/2006 6:10:37 PM PDT by dpwiener
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