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Supreme Court Says Muzzleloaders are Legally Firearms
Al P ^ | 6/28/06 | staff

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:22:18 AM PDT by Redcloak

Supreme Court Says Muzzleloaders are Legally Firearms
Cheyenne- Posted 6/28/06
Associated Press

The ruling comes in an appeal by a convicted felon who says he thought he was allowed to own a black powder rifle. Such rifles are excluded from the federal definition of firearms.

A spokesman for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department says the ruling will come as a blow to some Wyoming residents who have felony convictions in the past but who are now dedicated black powder hunters.

Governor Freudenthal says he would favor changing the state law to allow convicted felons to continue to hunt with black powder guns.

The court ruling released Wednesday upholds the conviction of Frank Alan Harris in a Casper court on a charge of being a felon in possession of a firearm.

According to the court ruling, Harris was previously convicted of aggravated robbery and robbery.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; blackpowder; felons; firearms; ruling; scotus
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To: absolootezer0
why would anyone want to own a gun that they wouldn't or couldn't use?

If you owned the Deringer that killed Lincoln, would you fire it?

81 posted on 06/29/2006 6:24:34 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: tacticalogic

Love it. Mine's a bit classier on a wood carriage but about the same.


82 posted on 06/29/2006 6:29:55 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Oztrich Boy
Keeping sharp and blunt objects out of their hands?

I'm a heavy-duty 2nd Amendment advocate and I'd need all my toes and fingers to enumerate my guns. But I have no problem restricting felons from possessing them unless and until they have had their rights restored by formal process. States that use the "deadly weapon" nomenclature instead of "firearm" invariably enumerate the deadly weapons. In no case do they include hammers, crowbars or jack handles.

83 posted on 06/29/2006 6:40:23 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Most people would not be quoting under IRS section for firearm laws. Did you realize you were? That could get you into a heap of trouble with the feds. Better to use my definition from the correct section.


84 posted on 06/29/2006 6:43:21 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: ArrogantBustard
United States Code Section 26, which (inexplicably) you seem unable to read and comprehend

Perhaps you are not reading the right section:

TITLE 18 > PART I PART I—CRIMES

85 posted on 06/29/2006 6:46:23 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: Migraine

Sorry, it just seems like infractions that WERE minor have steadily been elevated to a higher level.


86 posted on 06/29/2006 7:07:08 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Migraine
Sorry; but I think the laws that make it illegal for convicted felons to have deadly weapons are good laws. Or maybe I'm just not understanding your reply?

Convicted felons, once having served their sentence, deserve to have all their rights restored.

Especially since we are all now potential felons.

Do you use those little blue boxes that they sell in WalMart to gather up and organize your daily dose of prescription drugs?

That is a felony, along with a myriad of other things.

87 posted on 06/29/2006 7:07:13 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Yes, that was my point when I talked about it seeming as if jaywalking were now a felony. I'm glad I'm not the only who's concerned about it.


88 posted on 06/29/2006 7:23:07 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: elkfersupper

While I agree that there are too many useless laws, I somehow feel confident enough to bet my house on never being charged for keeping my 14 herbs and minerals, along with two prescription drugs, in a M,T,W,Th,F,S,Su, plastic case. Meanwhile, about 20% of parole/probation violations resulting in revocation and imprisonment involve weapons violations that would not be illegal for non-offenders.
Now, you may wish there were no such thing as parole/probation; but that's beside the point; and that's what we have at present.
Anyway, blessings to you and yours!


89 posted on 06/29/2006 7:27:10 PM PDT by Migraine (...diversity is great (until it happens to you)...)
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To: elkfersupper
Do you use those little blue boxes that they sell in WalMart to gather up and organize your daily dose of prescription drugs? That is a felony, along with a myriad of other things.

I've heard people say that but I have never seen it officially stated. In fact, there is ton's of information on traveling (even overseas) with your pills in secondary containers.

90 posted on 06/29/2006 7:28:23 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OmahaFields
Oh, please. If you're going to tell me what to look at, you might have the good sense to look it up yourself, first.

Title 18, 921:

(3) The term “firearm” means
(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive;
(B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon;
(C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or
(D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Once again, with emphasis, whether we're talking about taxing firearms, or defining the criminal use thereof, an "antique firearm" IS NOT a firearm.

91 posted on 06/29/2006 7:38:23 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: flying Elvis
Good evening.
"This opens the door for background checks to purchase muzzleloaders."

Would it also put my .50 Hawkin in the same class as a .50 BMG rifle, or would the law have to be changed?

I'm thinking it is time to make that atlatl I've been studying up on.

Michael Frazier
92 posted on 06/29/2006 7:39:43 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: OmahaFields

BTW, if you don't know why I'd be quoting tax law regarding firearms, you really need to quit pontificating and familiarize yourself with the subject. BATFE (you do know who they are, don't you?) is essentially a tax collection agency.


93 posted on 06/29/2006 7:40:32 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The term “antique firearm” means—
(A) any firearm ...


94 posted on 06/29/2006 7:55:21 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OmahaFields
I've heard people say that but I have never seen it officially stated. In fact, there is ton's of information on traveling (even overseas) with your pills in secondary containers.

Unles your name happens to be Rush Limbaugh???

95 posted on 06/29/2006 7:59:20 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: ExSES

RL was not charged with a felony. AND his pills were in the original prescription container, I think.


96 posted on 06/29/2006 8:00:54 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OmahaFields
put prescription medicine into one of those little daily dispenser containers, given one of your own prescription pills to a sick friend (search Title 21 of the U.S. Code and just see if you can figure out exactly what you can and can’t do

Living the outlaw life

Title 21 US Code

97 posted on 06/29/2006 8:02:32 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

You will have to narrow it down a "wee" bit more. I couldn't find anything in those thousands of pages.


98 posted on 06/29/2006 8:07:02 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OmahaFields
RL was not charged with a felony. AND his pills were in the original prescription container, I think.

True..., but given the fact that he is under a microscope in the Peoples' Republic of Palm Beach County..., can you imagine what would be his fate if he had a few aspirins in an unmarked pill container???... (BTW, my post was supposed to be humorous in nature...).

99 posted on 06/29/2006 8:13:11 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: OmahaFields

I gave you the teaser and the source. Do your own homework.


100 posted on 06/29/2006 8:26:09 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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