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Baby found dead in vehicle (left all day in a minivan)
Grand Forks Herald ^ | June 29, 2006 | Lisa Gibson

Posted on 06/29/2006 8:59:40 AM PDT by charming_harmonica

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To: hispanarepublicana

"One of my friends has two children: ages 3 and 1-1/2. The three year old's first year (much of which was spent in daycare), he had lots of ear infections, etc. When the youngest was born, she stayed home for good. The youngest has never had an ear infection yet."

Well by golly then, that's the cure for ear infections isn't it? Don't let the kids go anywhere!!

Both my children went to daycare. One never had an ear infection. The other had them constantly until we discovered she had a bone spur in a tear duct, which was causing backup in the ears that got infected. Never had another one after the spur was removed. I don't think we can blame the bone spur on daycare, though. So daycare didn't cause ear infections either of my children.

And what does that prove? Nothing. Just like your story.


141 posted on 06/29/2006 10:46:38 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: pnz1
ou'd think while driving that she would look in her rear view mirror and see the baby? My kiddo is usually demanding a little attention in the car!

Well, I have a 5 month old now and she falls asleep about 60 seconds into any car ride, and I have to assume this baby was similarly soothed and quiet in the car. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to call home and check up on the little one.

142 posted on 06/29/2006 10:46:48 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: OldFriend

Your understanding is appreciated.


143 posted on 06/29/2006 10:46:50 AM PDT by RayStacy
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To: charming_harmonica
"There are no arrests being made tonight," said Burgess. "I can tell you that."

I'm not sure I'm buying this woman's story. I'm about as absent-minded as you get--I'm always thinking about other things and blocking my surroundings out. It's been a problem my entire life and my husband accuses me constantly of not listening to him. But when I was a mom and was carting around my young'en, she was foremost on my mind. No way could anything like this have happened. Sometimes, the best way to hide is to leave it in the open. I don't know what happened here, but this incident deserves a very close look.

144 posted on 06/29/2006 10:47:07 AM PDT by twigs
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To: freedumb2003

Yeah, talking about eugenics....Low-medium and low social class, DO NOT REPRODUCE!!!!! YOU BELONG TO THE UNFIT!!!!. Goodness, I love my kid...but wait...I have to work. What can I do now?. Too late for an abortion.


145 posted on 06/29/2006 10:48:31 AM PDT by angelanddevil2
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To: BadAndy

"A good mother's first priority is raising and caring for her child. She doesn't farm it off for others to deal with when it's an infant."

Fine idea. Will you help pay for food and rent for the single mom (divorced, widowed or for whatever reason) since she can't work? That would be really good of you.


146 posted on 06/29/2006 10:51:18 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Irene Adler
Memphis has had a big problem with this over the last number of years. The state funds private day care centers for welfare recipients and low income people. The day care centers operate vans to go and pick up these children at their homes. Remember most of these moms are not working, but get day care anyway.

There have been at least 5 or 6 incidents where the day care van drivers would forget the children on the back seat of the vans. These children all died.

It got so bad that Tennessee had to enact some regulations that require day care van operators to have an additional person to double-check the vans for children as they arrive at the day care and at the end of the day.

The problem still continues. The last day care van driver who forgot a child (along with the person who double-checked) received prison sentences for homicide.
147 posted on 06/29/2006 10:51:40 AM PDT by CobraJet
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To: AZRepublican

bttt


148 posted on 06/29/2006 10:51:44 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: pnz1

My "baby" is almost 4, but I still constantly check on him in the mirror and I regulary turn around to coo to him too.


149 posted on 06/29/2006 10:55:15 AM PDT by Scarpetta (e pluribus victim)
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To: twigs

"Sometimes, the best way to hide is to leave it in the open. I don't know what happened here, but this incident deserves a very close look."

You ARE kidding aren't you?


150 posted on 06/29/2006 10:55:54 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: RobRoy

No kids here. Happily single.


151 posted on 06/29/2006 10:56:03 AM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: charming_harmonica
I can't imagine how you could possibly leave a baby in the car all day...so sad

It is not unbelievable. It is so very tragic. How could someone possibly deal with this situation. This person needs prayers. Oh my gosh, how sad.

152 posted on 06/29/2006 10:56:49 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: charming_harmonica

This is not meant to be a humous reply. But this email I received seems so appropriate to this situation.

Subject: A.A.A.D.D

Recently, I was diagnosed with A. A. A. D. D. - Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder. This is how it manifests:

I decide to water my garden.

As I turn on the hose in the driveway, I look over at my car and decide my car needs washing.

As I start toward the garage, I notice that there is mail on the porch table that I brought up from the mail box earlier.

I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.

I lay my car keys down on the table, put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table, and notice that the can is full.

So, I decide to put the bills back on the table and take out the garbage first.

But then I think, since I'm going to be near the mailbox when I take out the garbage anyway, I may as well pay the bills first.

I take my check book off the table, and see that there is only 1 check left. My extra checks are in my desk in the study, so I go inside the house to my desk where I find the can of Coke that I had been drinking.

I'm going to look for my checks, but first I need to push the Coke aside so that I don't accidentally knock it over. I see that the Coke is getting warm, and I decide I should put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.

As I head toward the kitchen with the Coke, a vase of flowers on the counter catches my eye--they need to be watered.

I set the Coke down on the counter, and I discover my reading glasses that I've been searching for all morning.

I decide I better put them back on my desk, but first I'm going to water the flowers.

I set the glasses back down on the counter, fill a container with water and suddenly I spot the TV remote. Someone left it on the kitchen table.

I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV, I will be looking for the remote, but I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table, so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs, but first I'll water the flowers.

I pour some water in the flowers, but quite a bit of it spills on the floor. So, I set the remote back down on the table, get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then, I head down the hall trying to remember what I was planning to do.

At the end of the day:

----the car isn't washed,
----the bills aren't paid,
----there is a warm can of Coke sitting on the counter, ----the flowers don't have enough water, ----there is still only 1 check in my check book, ----I can't find the remote, ----I can't find my glasses, ----and I don't remember what I did with the car keys.

Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today, I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all day long, and I'm really tired.

I realize this is a serious problem, and I'll try to get some help for it, but first I'll check my e-mail.

Do me a favor, will you? Forward this message to everyone you know, because I don't remember to whom it has been sent.

Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!!

GROWING OLDER IS MANDATORY. GROWING UP IS OPTIONAL. LAUGHING AT YOURSELF IS THERAPEUTIC.

*P. S. I just remembered, I LEFT THE WATER RUNNING
* *IN THE DRIVEWAY!!!!!!!!!


153 posted on 06/29/2006 10:57:56 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Irene Adler
Even though I am judgmental about this situation, I am also absent minded and am the youngest of nine children in a Catholic family. My mother did eventually work full time (we needed the money I guess) and I started daycare at 4 years old. I was routinely left everywhere and many times just left unattended while one of the children was assigned to watch me and forgot--once in a blizzard outside for hours, late when all businesses were closed and the phone lines down. Still when I made the 5 mile trek home, no one knew I had been gone! Needless to say I am quite independent!

The point is I do think this has been happening since after Eden--and air conditioning in cars in a way may make this forgetting worse. If the windows were open maybe it would take the child longer to pass? Or maybe they would cry out of being uncomfortable as the parent was driving. I don't know.

There is no excuse for this, I agree, but unfortunately it sounds as though this stuff does happen and to people who are just normal everyday caring parents--not always, but on rare occassions.

I think too, from experience, the more children one has the easier it is to space out and forget. Either way it does seem to happen to all sorts of parents. I am not a parent, but I do have 24 nieces and nephews and hear all sorts of stories about the mistakes of raising children from their very attentive parents. It is sad and all I can say is thank God for guardian angels--I believe mine has spared my life more than a few times!

154 posted on 06/29/2006 10:58:05 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Gone GF

No. I have no idea what happened, but I would just take another look. I never assume anything anyway. It might well be an accident, but I just wouldn't assume it. It deserves investigation.


155 posted on 06/29/2006 10:58:25 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Gone GF

The rear baby seat should be cattycorner to the driver's seat. That way the driver can give easy glances into the backseat and check on the baby.

Completely llogical to have the babyseat behind the driver's.


156 posted on 06/29/2006 10:59:21 AM PDT by Scarpetta (e pluribus victim)
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To: linda_22003

No not born that way; I thought my choices out carefully.


157 posted on 06/29/2006 10:59:36 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Don't fall for the soft bigotry of assuming all Hispanics are pro-amnesty. www.dontspeakforme.org)
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To: JFC
"This same thing happened in Lubbock last year, the lady got off with no charges pressed against her."

It's a terrible thing to think but if there are never any charges against a mother for this, then it could be the perfect crime for a crazed mother who didn't want her child anymore. In fact I think I saw something like this on Law and Order.

158 posted on 06/29/2006 11:00:01 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: angelanddevil2
Yeah, talking about eugenics....Low-medium and low social class, DO NOT REPRODUCE!!!!! YOU BELONG TO THE UNFIT!!!!. Goodness, I love my kid...but wait...I have to work. What can I do now?. Too late for an abortion.

And yet some of these people will wonder why people in the West are having so few children. If you must be able to stay at home for 18 years, breastfeed for at least one year, homeschool, put your kid in least five different activities, etc., lest your children be damaged forever, many people will opt out of parenthood all together.

Forget the fact that children have died at home from accidents, sometimes when the parent was distracted for just a few seconds. None of us know the circumstances in this case, and it is premature for us to judge based on a short article.

159 posted on 06/29/2006 11:00:26 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: JerseyDvl

Maybe the stupid law requiring babies to be constrained in the back seat would result in mothers not forgetting that there is a child in the car. That is what is causing these deaths.


160 posted on 06/29/2006 11:03:33 AM PDT by nygoose
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