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Body parts at S.I. dump, 9/11 kin say
NY Daily News ^ | 28 June 2006 | PAUL D. COLFORD

Posted on 06/29/2006 4:13:09 AM PDT by Marius3188

A 9/11 family group added a new allegation to its lawsuit against the city yesterday, claiming that hundreds of human body parts - not just tiny fragments - are buried at Fresh Kills landfill.

The parts are mingled in some 414,000 tons of debris that weren't properly sifted after they were transported from Ground Zero, the suit says.

The new charge, based on the recollections of an unnamed former supervisor at the Staten Island dump, is contained in an amended complaint against the city.

In one gruesome passage based on the supervisor's account, the amended complaint claims the city "should have known that debris ... contained body parts" because the material "was suddenly subjected to foraging by droves of sea gulls."

WTC Families for Proper Burial and 17 victims' relatives, made no mention of body parts when they initiated their emotionally charged suit last year in Manhattan Federal Court.

The suit originally alleged only that fine particles of remains - material on which "further forensic identification ... is impractical" - had been mixed "with household waste" at Fresh Kills and should get a "dignified burial in a place of honor."

Of the 2,749 people killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, 1,151 have not been identified.

The victims' relatives want the city to find "a proper location" for the remains and "to resift that portion of the debris not previously properly sifted by mechanical means."

The amended complaint followed a breakdown early last month in settlement talks, which were encouraged by Judge Alvin Hellerstein.

The former Fresh Kills supervisor came forward only recently, according to Norman Siegel, the lawyer for WTC Families for Proper Burial.

Rachel Relkin, senior counsel in the city law department's WTC unit, said: "The city, with the assistance and guidance of various federal and state agencies, approached the difficult task [at Fresh Kills] ... with care, dignity and respect for those lost on Sept. 11."

She added, "Because the matter is now in litigation, it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: New York; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: 911; groundzero; lawsuits; litigationlottery; newyork; wtc
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1 posted on 06/29/2006 4:13:12 AM PDT by Marius3188
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To: Marius3188
"should have known that debris ... contained body parts" because the material "was suddenly subjected to foraging by droves of sea gulls."

This is a fairly weak reason, if this is all the 'unnamed' person has. After years of dumping, these birds have been conditioned to descend on any material dumped. You can go to a fish farm where they are regularly fed by personnel throwing food into the ponds. After awhile, you can just throw in a line with a dry hook and they'll jump on it. They're animals, following instinct and base responses.

2 posted on 06/29/2006 4:20:52 AM PDT by edpc (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly - Thomas Paine, American Crisis)
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WTC ("Money") Families ("Money") for ("Money") Proper ("Money") Burial ("Money") and ("Money") 17 victims' relatives ("Money"), made no mention of ("Money") body ("Money") parts when they initiated their emotionally charged suit ("Money") ("Money") ("Money") last year in Manhattan Federal ("Money") Court. ("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")
3 posted on 06/29/2006 4:26:25 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Marius3188
" ... The victims' relatives want the city to find "a proper location" for the remains and "to resift that portion of the debris not previously properly sifted by mechanical means."


"Sounds like "The Jersey Girls" are getting some new members.

BTW ... anyone know who holds the patent on the device that tests seagull poop for human remains, and identifies that humans DNA?


Thar's money in them thar dumps




4 posted on 06/29/2006 4:29:22 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of outthinking our adversaries?)
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To: Marius3188
I am sorry people died there, but they should not expect more than they have already received. Dead is dead, whether you have parts, or not!

I guess all the free money they got from the rest of us taxpayers has been squandered. In the mean time, I see thousands of people who lost homes yesteday, who will get little from us!

Buy a lottery ticket!

5 posted on 06/29/2006 4:30:21 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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"Rachel Relkin, senior counsel in the city law department's WTC unit, said: "The city, with the assistance and guidance of various federal and state agencies, approached the difficult task [at Fresh Kills] ... with care, dignity and respect for those lost on Sept. 11."


I was under the impression that they were taking great care to sort through and save even minuscule body parts for identification at the time. I'm afraid many of the bodies not recovered most likely were incinerated. You can't I.D. dust.
6 posted on 06/29/2006 4:31:08 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Marius3188

They should follow these birds around for a few days.


7 posted on 06/29/2006 4:31:17 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: edpc

What a hoot! Dump ducks are always there.


8 posted on 06/29/2006 4:39:54 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: pageonetoo
AMEN....I look at the homeless, whether its their faults or not, and think, why can't some money go their way...the answer was once when I asked it, was this:

"They would just drug it or drink it" Maybe so, but the Jersey girls got what they had coming from the deaths of their husbands, and like you said dead is dead, there are other people who need help....

There are elderly whose kids don't care about them anymore, who could use some help, there are families that need help, and where did alot of our tax dollars go? To Katerina and to WTC, its time to move on now, and let these people rely on something else.
9 posted on 06/29/2006 4:40:41 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: raybbr

< WTC ("Money") Families ("Money") for ("Money") Proper ("Money") Burial ("Money") and ("Money") 17 victims' relatives ("Money"), made no mention of ("Money") body ("Money") parts when they initiated their emotionally charged suit ("Money") ("Money") ("Money") last year in Manhattan Federal ("Money") Court. ("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money")("Money") >

It bears repeating. That's exactly how I feel. I'm still trying to figure out why they were paid anything in the first place except what is dished out during a normal catastrophic event like a hurricane or tornado. No it wasn't a "natural disaster", but it still was of the type that you fill the immediate emergency need and go on from there.

If I step outside my office door and I'm killed by a suicide bomber, does the government owe my family a payout of what I would have made if I had lived to fullfill my career and they still get my life insurance? That's just nuts. How is that different from stepping out the door and dying of a heart attack?


10 posted on 06/29/2006 4:42:50 AM PDT by GOP_Proud (After midnight, alcohol, frat boys, a stripper...no good can come from it.)
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To: Marius3188

Im obviously sympathetic with people who lost family in 9-11..but its time to get real here. Expecting every body part to be recovered from all that debris is just retarded.


11 posted on 06/29/2006 4:47:12 AM PDT by Prysson
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In one gruesome passage based on the supervisor's account, the amended complaint claims the city "should have known that debris ... contained body parts" because the material "was suddenly subjected to foraging by droves of sea gulls."

In 414,000 tons of debris, there's going to be junk food from the offices, food from the cafeterias, snack bars & restaurants that were demolished. Plus the leftovers from the workers (lunches) clearing the debris. And the mice & rats that are foraging. Of course the sea gulls are going to be there.

12 posted on 06/29/2006 4:47:33 AM PDT by elli1
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To: edpc

If you ride by dumps outside of Columbia, SC you will see hundreds of sea gulls foraging and flying around. Does this mean there are human remains there too?


13 posted on 06/29/2006 4:47:41 AM PDT by MissEdie
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Expecting every body part to be recovered from all that debris is just retarded.

You have been warned! The PC Police have been notified of your use of the word "retarded" and are taking notice. Do not use any other non-PC words for thirty days or you will be fined!

14 posted on 06/29/2006 5:03:15 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: MissEdie

I dunno. How active is the mob in SC?


15 posted on 06/29/2006 5:03:28 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Marius3188

No one can help but be sympathetic to anyone who lost a loved one on 9/11.

Having said that, it is beyond all reason to expect that every single pice of human remains would be sorted through, sifted out, and given a burial. Then or now.

This is insanity that should be dismissed with prejudice. Court costs to be borne by plaintiff.

We have other work, more pressing, work at hand.


16 posted on 06/29/2006 5:10:43 AM PDT by John Valentine
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17 posted on 06/29/2006 5:15:54 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: GOP_Proud

I'm still trying to figure out why they were paid anything in the first place

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The initial response to 9/11 was an outpouring of concern by all of us. We immediately began looking for ways to help. Primarily this meant sending some organization money to help in their efforts. A vast amount of money, more than a billion dollars, was raised by private donations specifically for the aftermath of this tragedy. A commission was created and determined that the money should be used to compensate the families of those who were killed. Not to be outdone, the moneybags at the US Congress got in on the act and spent more of the people's money for the same cause.
There was never a time when an effort was made to determine a way to use these resources that would provide long range support for the families of jihadist victims. The most obvious needs are those experienced by military families and public service families of fallen heroes. A grand opportunity was missed because we as a people did not have the foresight to design solutions to problems that would press in on us in the days and years ahead.
All of the passionate outpouring in those first few months enriched a few families and ignored the needs of the thousands who would follow.
We are a nation with a generous heart but we fail to consider the best means to express our compassion.


18 posted on 06/29/2006 5:16:05 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

The question is, just exactly who stands to profit from this? Obviously the lawyers are first in line, but they will be closely followed by the unions and the mob who are lusting for the contracts.


19 posted on 06/29/2006 5:40:28 AM PDT by Concho ((I'd rather be hunting.))
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To: Concho
The question is, just exactly who stands to profit from this? Obviously the lawyers are first in line,...

The lawyers are sure ahead of you. I'd bet this is being handled by guys looking for their 40% contingency fee, but will settle for the $37,000 an hour the court will award...

20 posted on 06/29/2006 5:49:41 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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