Bob had his heart set on the lead role in 'The Return of Pollyanna', and after his audition was heart-broken when the casting director informed him they had 'decided to go in a different direction' ;-)
Your post so intriguing, I'll try to remember to add the transcript. I can't wait to see if Matthews' "cringe" is evident, find it hard to believe since Matthews knows full well what a nastyass Shrum is...that's why he has Shrum on.