WE LOST THE (IMMIGRATION)REFERENDUM

Lonsberry.com ^ | 6/28/06 | Bob Lonsberry

[tennmountainman]

ONWARD TO THE HOUSE FIELD HEARINGS ON THE SENATE BILL

EXPOSE THE SHAM IN THE LIGHT OF DAY.

[MplsSteve]

Senators Hatch and Bennett are a liberal and a moderate?

That's not what I've seen by looking at their voting records.

[Shermy]

""You should have seen the thread last night, the pro-illegals were threatening death to Tancredo, his "ostracization", it was a regular Spanish Inquisition.""

"BS, and you know it. But you guys are prone to hyperbole, like tom tancredo."

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Gosh Dane, you're suffering from a bad case of projection-itis. Your obsession with Tancredo is unhealthy. I'd suggest taking some time off for you but I suspect you will see it a plot to silence your voice.

[ZULU]

Like the last poster said BIL-BRAY!!

Its hard to judge just what is th edeciding factor in local elections.

Very often the incumbent is able to use his office to dispense favors and massage the electorate to the point that they are putty in his hands.

The fail to see the policy through the personality.

Were BOTH candidates Mormons? Utah is a heavily Mormon state and I doubt if any non-Mormon could ever get elected there. Has the Mormon Church gone the way of the Methodists and Episcopalians and Prebyterians in caving in to liberal political issues?

On the other hand, look at that brainless twit Orrin Hatch.

The fact that he gets constinually elected to office is nothing short of miraculous. The man is just a few neurons ahead of Frank Lautenberg. But he keeps running and keeps getting in.

Remmember BIL-BRAY.

This IS a bumb in the road - nothing more.

[John Lenin]

Microsoft gets hacked daily. The DOD gets hacked all the time. And you think an e-voting machine can't be hacked ? The only DUmmie I smell is you.

[taxed2death]

".........won a battle against a novice who made mistakes."

...and not by the predicted landslide like some were alluding too.

[griswold3]

I saw Jacob on TV , he came across a bit strange. Sorry, but first impressions are everything.

[colorado tanker]

Definition of a moonbat: A guy who thinks someone with a lifetime ACU rating of 97 isn't a conservative.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

people are reading into the election things that the election doesn't symbolize.

People chose an incumbant over a person who acted kind of nuts.

This is surprising?

[thinkthenpost]

Generally a voting machine is either stand alone, or in a closed loop, basically just say 6 or 10 machines and an accumulator and there is no connection to anything else. I am not saying they cannot be hacked but I think it would be pretty obvious if the poll workers are paying attention. I believe to really make a difference it would have to someone in an elections department who is involved in the actual totaling of votes. I don't see a way to affect outcomes other than an inside job. Voting machines just aren't online or connected to the web to be vulnerable to hacking attempts.

[mewzilla]

This is surprising?

All politics is local. Watch what happens to RINOs in districts where the issue matters more to its voters.

[kingu]

Something that people forget - no matter how wonderful the arguments are stated on the Internet, most voters will never read it.

This campaign was lost based upon name recognition, natural tendency to continue voting for the incumbent, and a lack of getting the message out. A similar event happened here - David Dreier was challenged by a wonderful candidate, Sonny Sardo. While there is great dissatisfaction in the district for David Dreier, Sonny Sardo had little chance of unseating him - mostly because there was little of getting Sardo's message to the voters.

Anyone who wants to put any particular spin on any election has to demonstrate that their viewpoint was first put out for the voters to hear and consume, and that they did in fact do this.

[John Lenin]

I believe the results are sent in over a modem.

[Phsstpok]

Jacobs was a lousy (not to say borderline loony) candidate. It wasn't the (immigration) message. It was definitely the messenger. Whether it was really his fault or a hostile media and an effective negative campaign by the Cannon folks is moot. Jacobs was defeated, not the question of dealing effectively with the border.

The race in California a few weeks ago was much more indicative of the mood across the country. A serious candidate with a serious position won with addressing border security first as his primary message.

[Vigilanteman]

Agreed. Congressman Chris Cannon outspent his opponent 10-1 or better and made big news of the fact that he voted for the house immigration bill so he was, really, really, tough on border control.

[thinkthenpost]

Not in El Paso County, and as long as it never gets to the web, the hacker would basically have to have physical access to the phoneline to get ahold of the data.

Other towns, cities, counties, and states may do things differently.

[Dane]

David Dreier was challenged by a wonderful candidate, Sonny Sardo. While there is great dissatisfaction in the district for David Dreier, Sonny Sardo had little chance of unseating him - mostly because there was little of getting Sardo's message to the voters

Please Drier was being pummeled by John and Ken who have a microphone from a 50,000 watt station in Los Anglees. Then they also did bigtime cheerleading for Jim Gilchrist, both of the John and Ken candidates lost big.

Sometimes you have to face the fact that the issue isn't resonating with voters, and not blame the voters.

[Dane]

Agreed. Congressman Chris Cannon outspent his opponent 10-1

Uh it was more like 3-2.

[colorcountry]

I was a poll judge yesterday. The machines register each vote on a papeer tape as well as a memory card. The memory cards are gathered (as well as the tapes) and turned into a central tallying location. If numbers were hacked it would be there.

[Dane]

Just another observation, that could be called the cruelty of Fox News and also of talk radio like Hannity and somewhat now Rush.

Fox puts people on such as Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, Michelle Malkin, Tom Tancredo, etc.etc. and just because they are on Fox News or Hannity's show, some on FR think that the whole country agrees with them and then when elections like this happen, there is a big letdown.

But what does Fox, Hannity, or Rush care, they are just looking for viewers and listeners.