[BagCamAddict]

I totally agree with you.

And I'll raise you one for the "flame away" category...

I'd wager that 99% or more of people who are pro-choice would in NO WAY condone an abortion at 7.5-months into a pregnancy.

Even pro-choice people realize that at 7.5-months, it is no longer a "fetus", it is a premature baby.

So before everyone paints all pro-choice people with the same brush, please recognize that not all of them are whacko baby killers.

(And to reduce the number of people who will ask me at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

[Delphinium]

at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?

[JWinNC]

"...my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb."

What age might that be?

So, by that logic... if a "fetus" comes out of the womb "alive" but dies later... does not survive, it was never a baby? How long does the fetus have to survive out of the womb? One second? One minute? One year? What if the fetus could have survived, but no one cared for it?

...not looking to pick a fight, just trying to understand this kind of thinking.

jw

[g33k355]

Why yes the are whacko baby killers! The very moniker of "pro-choice" is an oxymoron! That baby has NO CHOICE!!!

A fetus becomes a baby at the moment of conception.

[FJ290]

(And to reduce the number of people who will ask me at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

Aren't you glad that your mother didn't decide to abort you?

Just because your opinion is a baby only becomes one when it can survive outside the womb doesn't make it so. That's a human life that is forming inside the womb.

It is the kind of attitude that reduces it from being a human being until born that is resulting in millions of babies being aborted each year worldwide. I guess it's easier to kill them when you don't consider them human.

[TalonDJ]

The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb

SO you define humanity by the progress of medical technology at saving premature births? OR do you think we should leave them all to nature and see if the live or die before deciding if the are human yet? Or did you mean at the point where they can survive without someone or something performing the function of the mother? Then we can abort up to a few years old.

I am sorry but adjusting the point were you are allowed to kill a baby by a couple months does not relieve them of 'whacko baby killer' status.

Pro-abort types are willing to draw that line, and willing to move it around based on whim or new research. Pro-lifers say no-one should be allowed to draw the line and say 'you are human and you are not'. The point is not WHERE you draw the line. The issue is that you are WILLING TO DRAW IT and then kill a developing human based on it.

[MrEdd]

"fetus" is a Latin term - the closest English translation of which is "toddler" it refers to a small child who is not yet safe to leave untended, and was used as a term of endearment. So - if we return two the original meaning it is a child up to age two or three - because the word already has that meaning.

If I or anyone else tries to redefine it at this late date is just as valid (and silly) as saying bluegill are not fish because they swim in fresh water and I want fish to only refer to salt water vertebrates. My attempt to narrowly redefine the word fish in the face of centuries of use would be ludicrous.

[beezdotcom]

(And to reduce the number of people who will ask me at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

That point gets pushed further and further back every year. We've now had premature babies born at 20 weeks which have survived. How much further back can we push that before you say, "naw, doesn't matter, not a baby"?