[Delphinium]

at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?

[rollo tomasi]

"At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?"

From my experience it's around 18 years old.

Also don't forget many grown up human taxpayers are supporting people beyond their 80's. So I ask, at what age can we start killing older humans who need younger ones to take care of them?

How I hate situational ethics such as when a "fetus is only human when it can get a job" or some other bs like that. A human is a human no matter what age.

[ducdriver]

"At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?"

These days, it seems to be around 30 or later. And of course, nobody could survive without the help of others all through life.

[BagCamAddict]

That's not what I was defining. I didn't say "live without help from an older human." I said "live." Period.

So I'm not going to argue a point I wasn't making.