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To: 11th Commandment
It sound like what Bush is doing is using this tradition in lieu of a line item veto.

And that appears to me to be unconstitutional. Ppl here can moan all they want that Specter is disloyal. I think he's probably correct on this one. Let's see it go to the SCOTUS. Be interesting to see what they say. Seems to me the president can sign or veto, not alter and amend. This stuff happens from time to time. GWB has a real Jacksonian streak in him, and Specter sticks up for the Senate. This is checks and balances in action. The Bush-should-get-whatever-he-wants crowd be damned.

41 posted on 06/28/2006 8:43:58 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Huck
I agree with you that it sounds unconstitutional. But then I read post #38. I have an idea, why doesn't the congress send an amendment to the States that grants the line item veto. This has been an issue from the very beginning of our Republic.
51 posted on 06/28/2006 8:49:10 AM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: Huck
Let's see it go to the SCOTUS. Be interesting to see what they say.

Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Smith Adams,

Monticello, Sep 11, '04.

"You seem to think it devolved on the judges to decide on the validity of the sedition law. But nothing in the Constitution has given them a right to decide for the Executive, more than to the Executive to decide for them. Both magistracies are equally independent in the sphere of action assigned to them. The judges, believing the law constitutional, had a right to pass a sentence of fine and imprisonment; because that power was placed in their hands by the Constitution. But the Executive, believing the law to be unconstitutional, was bound to remit the execution of it; because that power has been confided to him by the Constitution. That instrument meant that its co-ordinate branches should be cheeks on each other. But the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the Legislature & Executive also, in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch."


Also, the President could get around any of this by just issuing a pardon to anyone convicted of a section of any law that he feels is unconstitutional.

57 posted on 06/28/2006 8:53:17 AM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Huck

"Seems to me the president can sign or veto, not alter and amend."

A signing statement does not alter or amend a bill. When the bill is signed the whole thing becomes law.


218 posted on 06/28/2006 9:26:07 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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