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Supreme Court Overturns Part Of Texas Congressional Map
MSNBC ^ | 6/28/2006 | MSNBC

Posted on 06/28/2006 7:14:51 AM PDT by Smogger

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To: Torie

Yup, that sounds about right to me.


121 posted on 06/28/2006 10:05:49 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: hispanarepublicana

The DNC/DCCC never challenges its own incumbents without a very good reason. The net kooks at Daily Kos sponsored a return by Ciro Rodriguez that flamed out.


122 posted on 06/28/2006 10:06:15 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: BJClinton

Which Democrat Congressman is going to lose his seat thanks to the 23rd district gaining 100,000 Hispanics?

I said 2 based on the very early information we had available at that time, which said both the 24th and 23rd districts might be changed. Since it's only the 23rd, Bonilla is now endangered, and that's the only interesting change. If you can indicate a different outcome and provide details how that would happen, I'm open to hearing it.


123 posted on 06/28/2006 10:08:52 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: AntiGuv
So just move the Bonilla seat to likely Dem from Safe GOP on your list, and we are done. :)

I suppose another idea is to give the 25th the Anglo part of Bexar that Bonilla lost, in an attempt to bag Doggett, connected by a strip of real estate a foot wide, and leave the 21st largely alone. There may be a need to switch around some of Anglo Bexas between the 21st and 25th to do that. And of course, if that is done, the Texas Dems in the legislature will be back in Santa Fe, which is a great place to be in the summer.

124 posted on 06/28/2006 10:14:32 AM PDT by Torie
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To: george wythe
In Texas the boundaries were redrawn twice after the 2000 census, first by a court, then by state lawmakers in a second round promoted by DeLay after Republicans took control.

And the whole idea that this was a "second" redistricting was stupid. STUPID. The legislature couldn't come to a decision so it was decided by a (I believe federal) court. The court (STUPIDly) just modified a heavily gerrymandered map that was in favor of Democrats.

I agree that maps should only be changed once, but anytime a court does the legislatures work, that doesn't count.

125 posted on 06/28/2006 10:24:49 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: staytrue

I want gerrymandered districts. I don't want to have to hold on to a corrupt Republican because I fear the election of a Democrat.


126 posted on 06/28/2006 10:27:27 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: Howlin; neverdem; Lunatic Fringe; Smogger
Repubbie's cannot be allowed to gerrymander either, but I'm very, very suspicious.

If the Court set aside a DeLay plan, that the demo's are (screaming lies and hype) were protesting, then the Court looks like it is going to support the demo's (vote-fraud, ALREADY gerrymandered by race!) existing (support-the-demo's) districts.
127 posted on 06/28/2006 10:32:04 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: george wythe

What's astounding is that Hispanics somehow get protected status. Asians don't. Hispanics (with exceedingly rare exceptions, I suppose) don't have a history of slavery in US territories. And even so, what's a Hispanic? Is a person from Spain Hispanic? Is a legal immigrant from Chile whose parents are part of the ruling class, here on a student visa studying organic chemistry an oppressed minority?


128 posted on 06/28/2006 10:34:18 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: Smogger
No one seems to be stating the really important decision made by the Supremes.

RE-DISTRICTING CAN TAKE PLACE ANYTIME WHEN A STATE CHANGES PARTY COMPLICTION. NO LONGER EVERY 10 YEARS...THIS IS HUGE....THE DIMWITS HAVE LOST BIG-TIME ON THAT DECISION!!!!

129 posted on 06/28/2006 10:36:42 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Torie
BTW, who says Congressional districts need to be contiguous? And Texas has so much empty space, you could draw contiguous districts so that at least 25% of the voters got exactly the same SAT score.

BTW, what do you think of my theory that gerrymandering=good thing?

130 posted on 06/28/2006 10:38:14 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: Smogger

This is a win for the Republicans. At WORST, with good redrawing of the struck-down district (and other districts that will have be redrawn near it to compensate), we will lose one of the seats we gained in Texas. This is clearly not what the DUmmies wanted. (They are freaking out over there. It was quite amusing to see them go "Woohoo" at first when the biased media report first came out, and then as some of the more intelligent DUmmies started to read the decision, they realized that this really is a huge victory for Delay and the Republicans.)

An interesting point is that in addition to losing on the big constitutional questions, the libs won only ONE of the two VRA issues. Kennedy, joined by Alito and Roberts (and by Scalia and Thomas, although for different reasons) upheld the Dallas-area redistricting.


131 posted on 06/28/2006 10:38:31 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: shield
THE DIMWITS HAVE LOST BIG-TIME ON THAT DECISION!!!!

Well, they lost in the case of Texas, but moving forward, that's hardly a partisan decision. Most big state maps today were drawn by Republicans (PA, MI, OH, FL, TX, VA, GA) or for bipartisan incumbent-protection (NY, IL, CA, NJ). We have more shifts in state legislatures now than in the past so we'll have 'RATs undoing Republican maps, Republicans redrawing incumbent-protection maps, you name it. But all the big gains from undoing Democrat control of redistricting were won in 1992 and 2002.
132 posted on 06/28/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Court Nixes Part of Texas Political Map

"On a different matter, the court ruled 7-2 that state legislators may draw new maps as often as they like — not just once a decade as Texas Democrats claimed. That means Democratic and Republican state lawmakers can push through new maps anytime there is a power shift at a state capital."

IMHO, I think this is even more noteworthy. It has the potential to generate congressional redistricting every time a house in a state legislature changes control from dems to pubbies or vice versa. In states with the right of popular initiatives, that could lead to more states having non-partisan commissions drawing the maps of congressional districts and making many more of those districts up for grabs.

133 posted on 06/28/2006 10:41:11 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Jim Noble

It's not a Constitutional issue, it's a statutory issue. The Congress passed the Civil Rights Voting Act; the Supreme Court is merely determining whether Texas has violated it.


134 posted on 06/28/2006 10:41:26 AM PDT by dangus
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To: AmishDude
And even so, what's a Hispanic?>

Apparantly, Bonilla isn't, according to the SCOTUS, anyway...

135 posted on 06/28/2006 10:42:23 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Don't fall for the soft bigotry of assuming all Hispanics are pro-amnesty. www.dontspeakforme.org)
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To: mcvey

Baker almost provoked a constitutional convention, and in other timw would have. It is revolutionary in its way as Roe was reveolutionary, in that it showed that Warren's Court thought of the states as mere provinces rather than separate republics.


136 posted on 06/28/2006 10:45:18 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Well, according to this racial stuff, neither is Vernon Robinson black.


137 posted on 06/28/2006 10:45:54 AM PDT by AmishDude (I am the King Nut.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

This interpretation of the VRA says nothing about the race/ethnicity of the actual representative, but whether or not he is the candidate of the minority community's choice. Since Bonilla's voters are largely Anglo, with Latinos voting Democrat in Laredo, he's not the candidate of the Latino community's choice.


138 posted on 06/28/2006 10:47:51 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: shield
You got it. Since there can be redistricting at any time, the court requires redistricting in its opinion and the GOP still controls Texas, I suspect the Republicans will draw an entirely new map that gives them even more seats.
139 posted on 06/28/2006 10:51:54 AM PDT by superdad
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To: Torie; HostileTerritory

FWIW, it's occurred to me that if the legislature does act on this that they may very well decide to clean up the boundaries in West Texas now that Stenholm is gone. More interestingly, they might also take another shot at Chet Edwards. If they want to revisit those lines, they'd have a lot more leeway now that Turner, Sandlin, and Frost are basically out of the picture.

They probably won't do that if they have to fix the maps this year, however, if for no other reason than that they'll need new primaries in any district where the boundaries change. They might, though, if they want to try to trade Bonilla for Edwards.

And the ultimate irony: If that were their goal, they could easily create a district that DeLay can win. :)


140 posted on 06/28/2006 10:53:31 AM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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