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To: headstamp
It rewards mediocrity and incompetence.

I'm heading into an academic job myself in a few months. I'm not sure how I feel about tenure, but I had another career before getting the PhD. I find that people who know they can do something else don't find tenure to be the answer to everything.

I think tenure can reward mediocrity and incompetence, but many schools have post-tenure reviews, it's becoming harder (at least at Research 1 schools) to be deadwood.

The problem I see with tenure is that it maintains professors whose areas/skills are no longer needed. I'm a big fan of learning all kinds of esoteric stuff, but if students no longer see 14th Centure French poetry as vital to their education, it's time for the person teaching that course to go or develop a new area of expertise.

I'm on a message board for academics and you should hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth by new PhDs who can't get a job because schools just don't want their area anymore. They bemoan the lack of tenured jobs, mostly, I think, because they know if they had to leave 1 job teaching French poetry it's going to be hard has hell to find another. I don't think these folks are incompetent; they just teach in unpopular (and to students, unproductive) subject areas. Academic freedom be damned, what they want is to keep their jobs even if there are no students in the classroom.

For me, I don't have a need to bring politics into the classroom, but if tenure can protect libs spouting off all kinds of crap, I'd like to think it would protect a conservative who makes the 'mistake' of putting an American flag on her office door.

20 posted on 06/27/2006 10:35:36 AM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: radiohead

While I think tenure should be eliminated, the reason why the lack of tenure-track jobs is becoming a problem is that people trying to find academic openings have a very hard time doing so, much less actually snagging one. If they find one, it is likely just a temporary gig with pay that won't put food on the table.

Only tenure-track positions provide any kind of job security or decent pay.

The problem with tenure is that it goes too far and effectively makes it impossible to fire somebody.


32 posted on 06/27/2006 12:01:52 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: radiohead

How easy was it to find your job? Is your salary okay?


33 posted on 06/27/2006 12:02:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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