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Hey, hip-hop, quit your whining
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | Jun. 26, 2006 | Leonard Pitts Jr.

Posted on 06/26/2006 6:52:40 AM PDT by Caleb1411

Would somebody please tell the hip-hop community to stop whining?

Go drink some Cristal, buy some bling, pimp some hos or do whatever it is they do for amusement, but please, cease, desist, shut up already about how Oprah Winfrey has hurt their feelings.

For those who came in late: Over the last month, a trio of rappers has leveled criticism at Winfrey for what they feel is her disrespect of their medium. The first blast came from a gentleman who calls himself Ludacris, but whose birth certificate identifies him as Christopher Brian Bridges. He said that when he appeared on Winfrey's show to promote the movie "Crash," in which he co-starred, she treated him dismissively.

The complaint was echoed by 50 Cent (born Curtis James Jackson III) who complained that Winfrey rarely features hip-hop on her talk show. "Oprah's audience is my audience's parents, so I could care less about Oprah or her show," he said, sounding, of course, like a guy who cares way too much.

Then Ice Cube (nee O'Shea Jackson) got into the fray, complaining to FHM magazine that he's never been invited to sit on Winfrey's couch. "She's had damn rapists, child molesters and lying authors on her show. And if I'm not a rags-to-riches story for her, who is?"

Not that anyone asked me, but I could answer all of this in words of one syllable: boo hoo.

Winfrey, though, feeling these gentlemen deserved more response than that, went on a New York radio station and told DJ Ed Lover that rumors of her distaste for hip-hop are exaggerated. "I've got a little 50 on my iPod," she said.

Some of us chose to take that revelation with a box of salt. Some of us were left wondering when, how and why liking hip-hop came to be a litmus test for, well … anything. Winfrey went on to explain that her problem with hip-hop is that some of it offends her "sensibilities." She will not support music that marginalizes women.

You think maybe she could have been referring to the hundreds of videos where women are treated as props and accoutrements? Or to the ones where they are addressed in terms normally reserved for prostitutes and canines?

Here's what amuses me: These guys think they have a point. They think they've been wronged. And never mind the thousand and one ways their music has wronged us all.

The lords of hip-hop made their fortunes and fame by flipping the middle-finger salute to middle-American alarm and apprehension over their music, its explicitness, its violence and its effects. They were outsiders, loud and profanely proud in their rejection of white picket fence mores and norms.

Fine. They have every right.

But now they're singing the blues because the ultimate arbiter of white picket fence mores and norms wants nothing to do with them? Now they're seeking sympathy because they are denied a stamp of approval from Middle America's main gatekeeper?

Cry me a river.

I mean, what do they expect? You can't have it both ways. You cannot curse people and expect them to support you, cannot offend them then ask them to welcome you. I'm reminded of what mama always said about respect: You got to give some to get some.

Perhaps this is news to the hip-hop nation, populated as it is by people who frequently refuse to recognize that words have meaning and consequence.

But if it's new to them, it's validation to me. For the better part of 20 years, hip-hop's overriding message has been, "Bleep the mainstream."

Apparently, these guys are upset that they're being taken at their word.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: hiphop; okra; oprah
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1 posted on 06/26/2006 6:52:43 AM PDT by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
disrespect of their medium

LOL. Thanks alot. Now I have Coca Cola up my nose.

2 posted on 06/26/2006 6:54:07 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Caleb1411
Go drink some Cristal

I think Cristal is off the list after their Head of Marketing distanced himself from the hip-hop endorsements, Jay-Z pulled Cristal from all of his clubs, because it hurt his feelings.

3 posted on 06/26/2006 6:54:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Caleb1411

It'd be easier to respect people who didn't give themselves silly clown names.


4 posted on 06/26/2006 6:56:51 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: atomicpossum

You mean like Insane Clown Posse?


"She's had damn rapists, child molesters and lying authors on her show. And if I'm not a rags-to-riches story for her, who is?"

Ice Cube does have a point, sort of.


5 posted on 06/26/2006 7:01:21 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Caleb1411


The Ho be tripping! How dare she dis dey homies in dey hood?! Dey be mo bullsh!tt!ing on front street tonight my brudder...

(How can you disrespect rap?)


6 posted on 06/26/2006 7:02:03 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Cecily

Ice Cube and Oprah, a pox on both their houses.


7 posted on 06/26/2006 7:02:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Cecily
You mean like Insane Clown Posse?

Sure. Among others.

8 posted on 06/26/2006 7:03:12 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Caleb1411
Hip-Crap is the lowest common denominator of music, period. In no other medium can you denigrate women as horribly as rap does and get away with it.

Where is NOW's outrage? Where are the marches in the streets, the petitions to Congress, the in-depth reports on ABC, CBS and NBC?

If this were a predominantly white form of music, the drive-by media would descend upon it like vultures on a meatwagon.
9 posted on 06/26/2006 7:03:59 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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You mean like Eminem?


10 posted on 06/26/2006 7:07:10 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: atomicpossum
If you go by the name--"Gas Passer Z" it is rather hard to give you your props.
11 posted on 06/26/2006 7:07:15 AM PDT by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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To: Caleb1411

Rap is missing a preceeding "C".


12 posted on 06/26/2006 7:07:23 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: Fenris6

What medium? They have had my disrespect since they came on the scene. They hate my way of life. Why would anyone support them?


13 posted on 06/26/2006 7:09:24 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Caleb1411

Hmmm... Hip Hop vs. Oprah... Just can't bring myself to pick a side in this conflict.


14 posted on 06/26/2006 7:10:39 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: Caleb1411
You cannot curse people and expect them to support you, cannot offend them then ask them to welcome you. I'm reminded of what mama always said about respect: You got to give some to get some.

Tell that to the whole damned race-baiting industry. Loudmouthed, lazy, stupid, insulting posers make a fortune assaulting white culture, then accuse whites of being racist when they don't invite them over to tea.

Go figure.

15 posted on 06/26/2006 7:10:59 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Tzimisce

Just to irritate the whiners, Oprah should invite all the old bubble gum rappers/hip-hoppers like Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Gerardo, Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff, Back Street Boys, and Kris Kross to come on her show.


16 posted on 06/26/2006 7:13:44 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: Fenris6
This could be a good South Park show idea: Hip hopper P. Diddy on Oprah. They've got the characters already drawn up.


17 posted on 06/26/2006 7:18:10 AM PDT by Minnesocold ("The public demand to protect our borders will triumph sooner or later." - Tony Blankley)
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To: nevergore
You mean like Eminem?

Other than a smattering of objections here and there, Eminem gets a pass too. His lyrics are just as bad, if not worse, than many of the black rappers. The vast majority of Crappers are still minorities, however, which automatically means a free pass, as no one wants to be branded with the dreaded R word for speaking up against it.
18 posted on 06/26/2006 7:18:42 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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To: builder

Oh, guess I won't be getting any props then..

damn...

GPZ


19 posted on 06/26/2006 7:19:24 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: reagan_fanatic

Since Eminem did that "Mosh" video, he's the darling of the left, even Moby likes him now.


20 posted on 06/26/2006 7:20:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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