Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 25 June 2006

Various big media television networks ^ | 25 June 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[Phsstpok]

You know, during last Prez election time - politicians were running awy from Kos crowd, because of his "Screw Them" comments & pulling away ads from his site.

Same thing will happen this cycle too

They're running towards Kos and the rest of the moonbats during the primaries and most of them will run away in the lead up to the general election, except for the ones who only need the moonbats to win, like Nancy Pelosi.  The presidential election cycle will be the same, just as Republicans will sidle up to then denounce and run away from those they view the same way... us.

Never trust a politician.  Use them, but don't trust them.  They'll almost always do what pays off for them, regardless of what it does to the people or the country.  There are few exceptions.  In the Democrat party Joe Lieberman stumbled when he was blinded by ambition and took the VP nomination, but he's back on track.  President Bush may do things that I disagree with, but I don't think he does things (at least no important things) out of any motive other than what he honestly believes to be in the best interests of the country.

And Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are in the enviable position of just not giving a damn what anybody (except the President) thinks.  It must be very liberating.  I get the feeling that both men are enjoying themselves immensely.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

I'm sorry, but even more egregious from Juan was his point that the NYT's release of the secret program tracing terrorist funding is a good thing! This method of funding will now cease! Can you believe it: the NY Times wrecks our covert ability to trace financing sources of terrorism -- something that is completely legal and not at all "protected" as a constitutional right -- and Juan sees this as a good thing. I really think they should demand that Juan refund whatever stipend they pay him for being a FoxNews Regular -- all he contributes is wrong and stupid. JMHO.

[Miss Marple]

I agree with you about Cheney and Rumsfeld...especially Rumsfeld. I get the distinct impression during his pressers that he is having the time of his life.

[Carolinamom]

I like to think/believe that God moves in mysterious ways...by Lieberman's blinking, we were spared having Algore in the Oval Office for even 5 minutes.

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Murtha sides up with Code Pink

Code Pink has given $650,000 to the terrorists in Fallujah, participated in war crimes tribunals against America and has called American soldiers "killers" on their website among many treasonous actions. They display signs like "Maimed for a Lie" at Walter Reed Army Medical Center where wounded troops are healing.
Text of Code Pink's statement on meeting Rep. Murtha:
Thank You Congressman Murtha! CODEPINK co-founder Gael Murphy and DC coordinator Allison Yorra met with Congressman Murtha to thank him for his courageous stand on Iraq. We presented him with our pink badge of courage and pink flowers sent by CODEPINK members nationwide.

Murtha's "Cut & Run" Comments on Iraq: "there's no progress at all" "it's worse than it was prewar" "we should immediatley redeploy" "War cannot be won on the ground" "I have said it's a civil war" "We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning,"

Murtha's Comments on our Troops: "Would you join (the military) today?," he was asked in an interview. "No," replied Murtha "And I think you're saying the average guy out there who's considering recruitment is justified in saying 'I don't want to serve'," the interviewer continued. "Exactly right," said Murtha "we have become a catalyst for violence" in Iraq Marines "killed innocent civilians in cold blood." at Haditha "I will not excuse murder, and this is what happened" "This is worse than Abu Ghraib" "Hopefully, this is an isolated incident. But we're supposed to be selling ideas of America, ideals of America, and we're losing that war." "These kind of things have to be brought out immediately," he told "This Week," "because if the Marines got away with it, other Marines might think it's okay." "What they're saying to me is we're stretching the military too thin. The army is broken, and we couldn't deploy to a second front if we wanted to." "The troops don't know what to do. They don't have the direction they need in order to supervise the prisoners,"

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[MNJohnnie]

See if we had any JOURNALISTS, as opposed to DNC Media whores, someone would ask Feingold to explain THIS document then. But of course they will just sit their and let him lie, lie, lie and lie.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1629819/posts

Every Year is Worse Than the Previous Year: Internal Al-Qaeda paper on their Failure in Iraq
Bill Bennett's Morning in America ^ | Found April 16 | Al-Qaeda


Posted on 05/10/2006 7:48:11 AM PDT by Tolik


"Every Year is Worse Than the Previous Year":

Captured Internal Al-Qaeda Documentation of Failure from Iraq, Found April 16
A glance at the reality of Baghdad in light of the latest events (sectarian turmoil)

1. It has been proven that the Shiites have a power and influence in Baghdad that cannot be taken lightly, particularly when the power of the Ministries of Interior and Defense is given to them, compared with the power of the mujahidin in Baghdad. During a military confrontation, they will be in a better position because they represent the power of the state along with the power of the popular militias. Most of the mujahidin power lies in surprise attacks (hit and run) or setting up explosive charges and booby traps. This is a different matter than a battle with organized forces that possess machinery and suitable communications networks. Thus, what is fixed in the minds of the Shiite and Sunni population is that the Shiites are stronger in Baghdad and closer to controlling it while the mujahidin (who represent the backbone of the Sunni people) are not considered more than a daily annoyance to the Shiite government. The only power the mujahidin have is what they have already demonstrated in hunting down drifted patrols and taking sniper shots at those patrol members who stray far from their patrols, or planting booby traps among the citizens and hiding among them in the hope that the explosions will injure an American or members of the government. In other words, these activities could be understood as hitting the scared and the hiding ones, which is an image that requires a concerted effort to change, as well as Allah's wisdom.

2. The strength of the brothers in Baghdad is built mainly on booby trapped cars, and most of the mujahidin groups in Baghdad are generally groups of assassin without any organized military capabilities.

3.There is a clear absence of organization among the groups of the brothers in Baghdad, whether at the leadership level in Baghdad, the brigade leaders, or their groups therein. Coordination among them is very difficult, which appears clearly when the group undertake a join operations.

4. The policy followed by the brothers in Baghdad is a media oriented policy without a clear comprehensive plan to capture an area or an enemy center. Other word, the significance of the strategy of their work is to show in the media that the American and the government do not control the situation and there is resistance against them. This policy dragged us to the type of operations that are attracted to the media, and we go to the streets from time to time for more possible noisy operations which follow the same direction. This direction has large positive effects; however, being preoccupied with it alone delays more important operations such as taking control of some areas, preserving it and assuming power in Baghdad (for example, taking control of a university, a hospital, or a Sunni religious site).

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At the same time, the Americans and the Government were able to absorb our painful blows, sustain them, compensate their losses with new replacements, and follow strategic plans which allowed them in the past few years to take control of Baghdad as well as other areas one after the other. That is why every year is worse than the previous year as far as the Mujahidin's control and influence over Baghdad.

5. The role that the Islamic party and the Islamic Scholars Committee play in numbing the Sunni people through the media is a dangerous role. It has been proven from the course of the events that the American investment in the Party and the Committee were not in vain. In spite of the gravity of the events, they were able to calm down the Sunni people, justify the enemy deeds, and give the enemy the opportunity to do more work without any recourse and supervision. This situation stemmed from two matters:

First, their media power is presented by their special radio and TV stations as the sole Sunni information source, coupled with our weak media which is confined mainly to the Internet, without a flyer or newspaper to present these events.

Second, in the course of their control of the majority of the speakers at mosques who convert right into wrong and wrong into right, and present Islam in a sinful manner and sins in a Muslim manner. At the same time we did not have any positive impact or benefits from our operations.

6. The mujahidin do not have any stored weapons and ammunition in their possession in Baghdad, particularly rockets, such as C5K Katyosha or bomber or mortars which we realized their importance and shortage in Baghdad. That was due to lack of check and balance, and proper follow-ups.

7. The National Guard status is frequently raised and whether they belong to the Sunnis or Shiites. Too much talk is around whether we belong to them or not, or should we strike and kill their men or not?

It is believed that this matter serves the Americans very well. I believe that the Committee and the Party are pushing this issue because they want to have an influence, similar to the Mujahidin's. When and if a Sunni units from the National Guard are formed, and begin to compete with the mujahidin and squeeze them, we will have a problem; we either let them go beyond the limits or fight them and risk inciting the Sunnis against us through the Party's and the Committee's channels.

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I believe that we should not allow this situation to exist at all, and we should bury it before it surfaces and reject any suggestion to that effect.

8. (Salah), the military commander of Baghdad (he used to be the commander of the Rassafah County and still is) is a courageous young man with a good determination but he has little and simple experience in the military field and does not have a clear vision about the current stage and how to deal with it Most of his work at al-Rassafah County is to take cars to the Jubur Arab Tribes, convert them into booby traps and take them back inside Baghdad for explosion. And the more booby trap cars he makes, the more success he has. This alone is not a work plan and we do not benefit from it in the medium range let alone the long range.

9. (Salah): The current commander of Northern al-Karkh (Abu-Huda) is very concerned because of his deteriorating security situation caused by being pursued by the Americans, since they have his picture and voice print. Therefore, his movement is very restricted and he is unable to do anything here. We should remove him from Baghdad to a location where he can work easier; otherwise he is closer to become totally ineffective. I know nothing about his past military experience or organizational skills.

10. (Salah): Northern al-Karkh groups are estimated at 40 mujahid, so is the Southern Karkh. They could double that number if necessary. Al-Rassafah groups in general is estimated at 30 mujahidin as I was informed by the commander of al-Rassafah. These are very small numbers compared to the tens of thousands of the enemy troops. How can we increase these numbers?

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End of Document/Translation

[Miss Marple]

That is what I think. At the time, we didn't know how insane Al Gore was. But God did.

[Phsstpok]

...The only answer I can come up with is (Hillary's) deathly afraid of being exposed for who and what she really is...

Exacticalllly!!!!!!!!!!! 

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[Carolinamom]

Your post #420 deserves to be a separate thread, Tonk!!! Let's give it even wider distribution both here and in letters to the editors. Big thanks.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

That is looking on the bright side... but I'll agree that there was serendipity that they Dems fought impeachment (aided by RINOs and the media). Can you imagine Al Gore as president in the aftermath of 9/11?

[TexasPatriot8]

Thank you for your post. It angers me even more knowing that my thoughts about Bosnia are totally correct, as seen first hand by your son! Thank God for people like him that will serve, even when the place they're sent is NOT some place we should be. Europe should have handled Bosnia just like the U.N. should have handled Iraq, but as usual, we had to handle both! Typical. The post you made says it all. It's a joke, and like all liberals, Wes Clark got off scott, and then comes home and blames Bush for everything. Clark is joke and it's a travesty that he ever reached the rank of Gereral. I've heard MANY officers that served with him over the years say what a fool he was and how incompetant he always has been. No surprise Clinton put Clark in charge of Bosnia. A slut putting a boob in charge of a war.

[Miss Marple]

Well, Nicole Kidman got married last night in Australia, to an Australian country western singer. Her family's priest married her, so I assume she got some sort of annulment.

Fox News gives us all the important news, you know.

[rodguy911]

see #65

[Peach]

Okay, I'm back and I agree with you 100% about amnesty for insurgents if they lay down their arms and surrender. Especially for Iraqi insurgents. Iranian or other insurgents, I'd have to think about.

[Allegra]

Did you know that there are 5 Police Academies in Iraq that produce over 3500 new officers each 8 weeks?

More than that now. The civilian police training program is one of the missions I work in support of. It's moving forward in leaps and bounds.

The media is deeply saddened about all of this.

[Morgan in Denver]

Good point. You hit the proverbial nail on the head.

[Peach]

Please do send to the news shows and I will do the same.

BTW, I noticed on another post that you mentioned the ad that Mo1 linked us to WAS an RNC ad. I did see that in the video link, but didn't think it was a television ad but rather an internet ad, but I could be wrong.

Regardless, the ad should be shown on television in September/October in the weeks immediately before the election.

[Mo1]

Oh Oh .. NBC10 news is having a NJ Senate Debate with Mendez and Kean

I can't find a live feed though

http://www.nbc10.com/news/index.html

[anita]

Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are in the enviable position of just not giving a damn what anybody (except the President) thinks. It must be very liberating. I get the feeling that both men are enjoying themselves immensely.

I fully agree with that. Rumsfeld was earning miilions in business. Cheney from Halliburton, John Snow from wall street, recent addition Treasury Sec.nominee from Goldman Sachs (whose networth is 475 million & last year income alone 42 million).

If Bush is a lame duck & don't know anything but to eat & sleep, why all these intelligent people coming to work for him? The answer is self explanatory than what MSM says.