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1 posted on 06/24/2006 3:32:53 PM PDT by jennivinson
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This is a great article.


2 posted on 06/24/2006 3:40:06 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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"When it comes to the release of Classified information during a time of war, the NY Times and their associates within the elite media are about to (be) hauled before the Supreme Court. --- we'll see.

"a reporter may well be tried for espionage in the near future" --- I cannot wait.

3 posted on 06/24/2006 3:43:13 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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There can be more shilohs and gettysbergs


4 posted on 06/24/2006 3:47:56 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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What the Founding Fathers envisioned was a Press that was completely independent of politics and not beholden to such interests.

They naively thought the same thing about judges.
5 posted on 06/24/2006 3:48:25 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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Bravo!!


6 posted on 06/24/2006 3:49:10 PM PDT by penelopesire
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the NY Times and their associates within the elite media are about to hauled before the Supreme Court.

I pray so - but ? source?

7 posted on 06/24/2006 3:50:59 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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Excellent article, jennivinson! BTTT!


8 posted on 06/24/2006 3:58:08 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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Great assessment! Thanks for the post.

I maintain that the MSM has failed in its Constitutional role. Yes. It is independent of the government. But is no longer an impartial entity.

The MSM aids and abets a specific political point of view. It is an advocate of and accessory to liberal-Democrat-socialist-communist activities. It does so to the exclusion of facts while trumpeting itself as highly ethical and balanced (another flawed but noble sounding concept).

In pursuing its liberal-Democrat-socialist-communist agenda the MSM skates perilously close to sedition and treason! It is well past time that its corporations and individuals be prosecuted for libel and espionage.

Freedom of the press does not equate to freedom from responsibility or accountability!
9 posted on 06/24/2006 3:59:33 PM PDT by DakotaGator (I despise presstitutes!)
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Damn, only is this a great piece, she also talk about jazz legend Sonny Rollins.

I often feel so isolated as one of the few conservative composer/performer/artists out there. A genuinely creative and intelligent person with and IQ of over 150 and creator of over 500 pieces of music (mostly jazz) hundreds of paintings and scads of essays and other written pieces.

I could find no way way of contacting her. Did I miss something? I would appreciate an email address for Jenni.

George
11 posted on 06/24/2006 4:03:22 PM PDT by George - the Other (Ever notice how Narrow-Minded atheists are?)
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Great article! Mega BUMP.


12 posted on 06/24/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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Great article! Mega BUMP.


13 posted on 06/24/2006 4:05:44 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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“What the Founding Fathers envisioned was a Press that was completely independent of politics and not beholden to such interests…”

No one with who had bothered to actually study late eighteenth and early nineteenth century US political history would be ignorant enough to make such a statement.

The press of the Revolutionary period and the early Republic was often highly partisan and usually strongly aligned with political faction, so much so that the printer’s workshop was often the local party headquarters.

See, for example "The Tyranny of Printers: Newspaper Politics in the Early American Republic (Jeffersonian America)"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0813920302/ref=ase_pasleybrothersco/104-7378546-4556717?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=pasleybrothersco

for accounts of such early "dirty tricks" as Thomas Jefferson's involvement in an attempted "cover-up" when a scheme to manipulate newspaper coverage of Alexander Hamilton was exposed.

17 posted on 06/24/2006 4:14:58 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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America was also premised on the idea that the nation would fair well with an open, honest and unfettered Press.
The "honest" part is journalistic propaganda having no basis in the First Amendment. Nothing in the First Amendment gives any basis for the belief that journalism would be honest, and Jefferson and Hamilton sponsored newspapers in which to wage their partisan battles. That is the model for freedom of the press.

The problem is not tendentiousness in journalism; that was old in Jefferson's time. The problem is the naivete of the public which buys into the con that journalism is objective because journalism says it is objective. The other problem of journalism is government-licensed (obviously therefore unconstitutional) journalism. I have reference of course to broadcasting, which could not exist without censorship to enable licensees to be heard over long distances.

Journalism has been seized upon by broadcast licensees as an excuse for their existence as government-licensed, government-favored entities. The trouble was, of course, that objectivity is not readily defined (except in a retrospective view in the light of history). So what could broadcast journalism do but mimic unlicensed journalism? Hence we see broadcast journalism parroting The New York Times.

The conceit of journalistic "objectivity" is sustained not only by the need of broadcasting to propagandize about the "need" for "objectivity" which they provide (or at least make a pretense of providing while merely mimicking The Times) but by the willingness of journalists to go along and get along instead of competing for the respect of the public. If all go along, all get along and all are putatively "objective;" the alternative would be for persistent flame wars. Thus we see flame wars only between the institutions of "objective journalism" on the one hand and of "conservative talk radio" on the other.

Since objectivity is a virtue and it is arrogant to argue from the assumption that you have a virtue, frankly "conservative" commentators actually have the moral high ground in their positioning. For anyone who understands the difference between philosophy and sophistry, that is . . .

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate


18 posted on 06/24/2006 4:19:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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Great read jennivinson.

There's no real debate whether our Ministry of Information is tilted to the left; they are. cIc's point re competing media for much of our history is right on. The REAL question is, what happened to conservative media? And of course, why? And how..........

26 posted on 06/24/2006 5:33:53 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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Excellent, excellent read. All news media that participates in this espionage ought to have their dirty deeds exposed across the airwaves and any other source possible. Their treacherous behavior is causing the demise of America...


29 posted on 06/24/2006 6:02:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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Great piece! Get yourself on The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes so more people can hear you!


32 posted on 06/24/2006 8:26:58 PM PDT by RedRover (Redeploy Murtha!)
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Great article. I do not refer to them as the "elite media" though. Instead I call them what they are, the enemy, as in ENEMEDIA.


34 posted on 06/24/2006 9:58:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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Nicely done Jenni.


38 posted on 06/25/2006 1:57:16 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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Great article. A belated WELCOME ABOARD!

The separation of good, honest, freedom-loving, life-loving people individuals with bad, anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-life, liars.

Great article. Thanks for writing it. Good people are connecting rapidly.


44 posted on 06/25/2006 3:33:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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Thank you for posting your excellent piece here- your analogy here is perfect:

"It was as if they were saying to us—“look—we stood in a crowded building and yelled fire because we felt we had a responsibility to do so. The building was made of stuff that COULD burn—so obviously—there was a danger and we reported it. It isn’t OUR fault that people panicked, stampeded and killed one another as they exited this obviously flammable building..."


49 posted on 06/25/2006 4:29:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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