Posted on 06/22/2006 10:11:52 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
South Africans told to stop 'whingeing' about crime
Rory Carroll in Johannesburg
Wednesday June 21, 2006 The Guardian
Crime victims staged an angry protest in South Africa yesterday after a government minister suggested those who "whinged" about levels of murder and rape should emigrate.
Demonstrators, who said the 51 murders and 151 rapes recorded daily were unacceptably high, were responding to the safety and security minister, Charles Nqakula, who told parliament this month that those who complained about crime were unpatriotic moaners.
"They can continue to whinge until they're blue in the face, be as negative as they want to, or they can simply leave this country so that all of the peace-loving South Africans, good South African people who want to make this a successful country, can continue with their work."
The comments provoked outrage from relatives of murder victims and survivors of assaults, who filled the media with tales of violence and incompetent policing. "Where, honourable minister, do you propose I go?" asked a letter writer to a newspaper, saying she had been raped and mugged and was now paralysed by fear. Yesterday's protest was held outside a court where nine men were on trial charged with bludgeoning a 78-year-old woman to death in her home and raping her 25-year-old pregnant neighbour.
The attacks, which happened last month at Gordon's Bay, a beauty spot in the Western Cape, followed a series of high-profile incidents, including the killing of a judge's granddaughter and the rape of her nanny.
Dozens of people held placards urging the minister to apologise for his remarks. Fanie le Roux, a relative of the murdered pensioner, said he had not been placated by Mr Nqakula's explanation that the whingeing reference was directed at opposition members of parliament and not South Africans in general.
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The sheer tragedy of this stuns me. How can one install the respect for law and order in a segment of society that has no such ideas already?
Well,it could very well be true that African cultural and family structures are not necessarily compatible with ones that are European based.
As we all know,Africa was no idyllic paradise before the advent of the European.Yet there were very strict rules of behavior in tribal societies that were anything but liberal and permissive.Violation could mean ostracism or death.
I think most black South Africans DO hold a grudge against the descendants of the English and the Dutch.I think much of it is pride.Its hard to love the people who basically conquered you and imposed their system upon you,even though some aspects of that new system actually helped your standard of living.
Human nature is a funny thing and if we have learned anything,it is the fact that it is impossible to change at a basic level.
Sounds like Mayor White's response to flooding in Houston this week.
"It's Houston and it floods."
Don't blame me, I only run things...
SO...if only the SA could be freed of these outside limitations the whole problem would eventtually take care of itself through tribal law, rituals, and the inevitable genocides, don't forget to evict all the farmers and producers, then SA could be reduced to its sustainable preindustrial civilization?
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/321.htm
"My question is this: 'did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?"'
BY Vusile Tshabalala, journalist, http://www.censorbugbear.com
August 2001-- At the start of the year 1900, the number of African South Africans was found to be 3,5-million according to the British colonial government census. By 1954, our African population had soared to 8,5-million -- and by 1990, there were a full 35-million of us -- all carefully managed, closely policed, counted, shunted around in homelands and townships -- and all of us chafing and griping under the suppressive yoke of the Afrikaner Broederbond's rigid racial segregation system.
During apartheid, our population grew apace however because we also had the benefit of the Broers' medical knowledge and their excellent agricultural skills.
Our population growth and our average life expectancy in fact showed us Africans in South Africa to be in better than average health when compared to other Africans on the rest of the continent: in the decades prior to the official policy of apartheid, (which was started in 1948), the average life expectancy of African South Africans was only 38 years.
However, during the last decade of the apartheid era from 1948 to 1994, our average life expectancy had risen to 64 years -- on a par with Europe's average life expectancy. Moreover, our infant death rates had by then also been reduced from 174 to 55 infant deaths per thousand, higher than Europe's, but considerably lower than the rest of the African continent's.
And the African population in South Africa had by then also increased by 50% percent. (source: "a crime against humanity: analysing repression of the Apartheid State", by Max Coleman of the Human Rights Committee).
Deaths due to political violence during apartheid:
Max Coleman's authoritative book analyses all deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia.
According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved.
This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978.
Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book's detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence.
The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures.
The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period.
And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces nor white right-wing violence against blacks, but mainly due to "black-on-black necklace murders", tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC's military wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.
After apartheid:
The present Aids-HIV epidemic -- against which the Mbeki-regime undertakes no action and still is publicly failing to properly acknowledge -- the World Health Organisation estimates that more than 6-million African South Africans will be dead within the forthcoming decade. And the Mbeki-led ANC regime, which could have undertaken a huge prevention campaign such as Uganda's a long time ago, has done nothing to stave off this terrible death rate.
SA hospitals "becoming places of death" -
In November last year it was being reported in The Star that South African hospitals are becoming places for dying -- instead of healing. In June this year, it was reported that our cemeteries were filling up so rapidly that upright funerals were being contemplated to save space. Still, Aids is not being spoken about at our funerals, and the silence and utterly unscientific public statements about HIV-Aids from Mbeki's continue unabated while our people are dying.
Democratic Alliance spokesman Jack Bloom warned late last year that the 20% rise in deaths over the past four years among patients treated at Johannesburg Hospital could only be blamed on the high crime rate and the very serious decline in patient care. Why is our patient care so poor now, and our crime rate so high? The answer is simple: our public funds are being looted by the ANC hierarchy. And the police seem helpless to stop it.
Tuberculosis funds looted:
On July 10, 2001, the SA health department announced that it was going to stop R6,6-million in annual funding to the SA National Tuberculosis Assocation because of the ongoing looting of its funds and the lavish lifestyles of its (African) executives, who award themselves R400,000 annual salaries and spend R5000 a month on cellphone calls alone... while millions of South African TB patients go untreated and are wasting away of a deadly, but curable disease.
During apartheid, please note that the SANTA executives were seen to be extremely frugal with the governments' funding -- that many thousands of patients were cured annually, and that many doctors and nurses even VOLUNTEERED their services free of charge.
The question is this: "why is this man still CEO of SANTA? Why has he not been fired on the spot?"
Violent deaths from 1994 to 2000:
And the SA Police reports this month -- access their website's statistics at http://www.saps.org.za -- that a total of 174,220 people died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the year 2000.
So my question is this: "did apartheid ever kill as many Africans as are now being killed by the deliberate neglect and looting of our tax funds by the current, supposedly democratic Mbeki regime?"
No,I didn't SAY that.
My point is that even though the current SA government is corrupt and incompetent you can never go back to Apartheid times so why even get nostalgic about those"good old days for the Boers"mentality?
Theres no way any of this is going to have a happy ending.Let the Africans run their own continent and let the chips fall where they may.Colonialism is dead and buried.
Very interesting stats.
So is your solution that we return to the days of white rule in South Africa,obstensibly for the good of all?
Won't happen in a million years.
I understand that and agree that's the best solution...but the fact is we live in a big world the chinese and arabs are right now beating us to the african resources. They simply can not be left to themselves. SA can still be saved. JMHO.
"SA can still be saved"
And,pray tell,HOW can this happen?Please be realistic.I have to go to work now but will check your reply tomorrow.
Just to expound on my 49 If we could wave a magic wand and exclude all outside influence from the continent of Africa, the result would be at least 500 years of bloody genocidal civil war same as europe. And no I don't have any answer, except marxist socialists breed death.
I doubt that number will change much under Chinese/Arab occupation. The big difference is that some of it will be exported because somehow it will all be America's fault.
OK big time now...pettition for statehood. It's really your only chance. Invite in the fbicia any ia you can get in now! I'm not joking. We do need a state in Africa. Don't think of it as colonialism, think of it as simmalar to our relationship with Israel, except you gotta go back to GB.
Sounds like Washington DC, Detroit......
Sounds like Washington DC, Detroit......
Ok I was half joking about statehood (it is the only way even though it is a far shot, no one wants it). I know the arabs, marxists, and chinese are going to eat up The Beutiful Continent, and there isn't a dm thing we can do about it.
Just another of my stupid predictions. The reason no one has givin a ter a nuke is because they know that once the flag goes up (a nuc det in anger), we will tac nuc folks up the yin yang, here there anywhere we find em, so will Russia for that matter, It's a kind of a new MAD.
Oh, I mention that because of the SA nuclear prog w Israel. SA later said they didn't get any bombs, I believe them.
Sadly, we have to deal with the Arabs. Can't figure out the Palestinian thing unless you consider the "watching a slow-motion train-wreck" thing. Africa we can pretty much write off and we should do so.
Population: 44,344,136 [www.cia.gov via google]
Chicago is not as bad.
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