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Silenced: Flight 800 and the Subversion of Justice, Part 1 [10th Anniv. Warm-up]
WND ^ | June 4, 2001 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 06/22/2006 8:43:39 AM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: U S Army EOD; finnigan2
I still haven't heard an answer from you about what you think of the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses who said they clearly saw a "missile", "flare", "fireworks", or "pyrotechnics" rising up BEFORE the explosion and striking TWA 800. What do you think of all that eyewitness testimony?

(Ping only to finnigan)

901 posted on 06/28/2006 12:49:04 PM PDT by defenderSD (Just when you think it's never going to happen, that's when it happens.)
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To: defenderSD

Really, how would it be done?


902 posted on 06/28/2006 12:50:47 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: U S Army EOD

EOD, Please answer the question if you want to discuss this with me. If you won't engage in an open disucussion then I'll leave you alone from now on.


903 posted on 06/28/2006 12:51:50 PM PDT by defenderSD (Just when you think it's never going to happen, that's when it happens.)
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To: U S Army EOD

What do you think of all that eyewitness testiony? Do you think it is true or false? Are all those hundreds of people mistaken in your view?


904 posted on 06/28/2006 12:53:02 PM PDT by defenderSD (Just when you think it's never going to happen, that's when it happens.)
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To: Rokke
Not according to the Federal Judge and jury who convicted him.

Yup. We all know that their OPINION is more important than law.

Yes. Do you think they burn forever? The boost launches them from the tube. The sustain accelerates them. Both burn out within seconds of launch.

What gets a FIM up to Mach 2.2+?

Most likely an explosive footprint if the warhead exploded. But not "a trail of rocket fuel".

And it is not at all clear the witness video ever existed.

Too many Freepers saw it for it to be a myth. Sorry Rokke.

And your info on the FOIA issue is completely wrong. That is why the case against the FBI was thrown out.

The official record states that the documents requested could not be located.

In September 1998, Sephton sent a letter to the FBI's New York field office -- the office that had coordinated the FBI's investigation -- requesting a list of all foreign material removed or recovered from the victims' bodies and the results of any forensic analyses performed by the FBI on such materials. The FBI initially located 21 pages of responsive documents, but it resisted disclosure of those documents on the grounds that their disclosure either would interfere with an ongoing investigation, see 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(7)(A), or violate the secrecy of federal grand jury proceedings, see id. § 552(b)(3).

After exhausting his administrative remedies, Sephton filed a federal action in July 2000 seeking disclosure of the withheld documents and an injunction ordering the FBI to conduct a thorough, good-faith search of its records for all documents responsive to his request. The parties spent the next five years litigating this case in the district court and in this court. Along the way, the FBI relinquished the 21 pages of initially withheld documents and conducted further searches yielding over 550 pages of additional documents that were subsequently delivered to Sephton. The litigation proceeded, however, because Sephton remained unconvinced that the FBI had conducted an adequate search. By the time the district court issued its summary judgment ruling, the FBI had submitted four affidavits attesting to and describing its search for documents.

Applying our precedent, the district court recognized that although Sephton might prefer the FBI to search every file that might conceivably contain responsive information, FOIA requires a "reasonable" search, not an exhaustive one.

("The crucial issue is not whether relevant documents might exist, but whether the agency's search was reasonably calculated to discover the requested documents.")

The above is called "stone-walling" by reasonable people.

So Boeing lied in its final report?

Boeing was going to fight the Clinton machine? And win? Yeah. That was likely. /sarc

He had no legal right to remove any evidence from the investigation site and was found guilty of a felony for doing so.

The law states as an investigator, he had the legal right. Souvenir seekers do not.

So I guess every time the Supreme Court refuses to hear a case, they have decided for the Plaintiff.

Rokke, Rokke. When being sued you file a response. Are you equating the SC with being a defendant?

Here you go...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653709/posts

The 3 or 4 of you are pilots and engineers? Do any of you fly commercially for a living? I know which are pilots but which are the engineers? Every Freeper engineer I've read in the last few days disagrees with you.

905 posted on 06/28/2006 12:56:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Hatteras

TWA had an outside source of ignition through a faulty wiring harness. The main thing is, did the two tanks blow up or not. Please tell us how vapors in a fuel tank can tell the difference between electrical sparks created by lighting or a short in the electrical system.


906 posted on 06/28/2006 12:56:50 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: U S Army EOD; GarySpFc

PETN is one of the strongest known high explosives. It is more sensitive to shock or friction than TNT or tetryl, and it is never used alone as a booster. It is primarily used in booster and bursting charges of small caliber ammunition, in upper charges of detonators in some land mines and shells, and as the explosive core of primacord.


907 posted on 06/28/2006 12:57:18 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: finnigan2

Maybe one of them had an SA7, they seem like the type what would do something like that.


908 posted on 06/28/2006 12:58:49 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: finnigan2

Maybe one of them had an SA7, they seem like the type what would do something like that.


909 posted on 06/28/2006 12:58:51 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: Rokke
"Show me the page in your "bible" that refers to these pellets imbedded in the poor passengers?"

It doesn't bother you that "foreign" shrapnel was found in the autopsies and the polital cronies at the top did not share this with the organisation....

Rokke, it doesn't surprise ME that these Clinton cronies would hide this, but what is TOTALLY bizarre is that today, a FREEPER and F-16 Nat'l Guard pilot (you) is here defending this criminal cronism. (lol)

910 posted on 06/28/2006 1:03:51 PM PDT by radialenginefan
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To: Rokke; radialenginefan; cpdiii
OK. I fully expect to be treated to another pity party about how everyone is being mean to you...BUT I HAVE NEVER EVER ARGUED AIRCRAFT ARE NOT VULNERABLE TO MANPAD ATTACKS. You are amazing.

Again, that post was to cpdiii who was addressing you and radialenginefan. I "pinged" you as a courtesy which is expected on FR.

You're right. I bet they took out Amelia Earhart too. Dates don't matter. Lack of evidence doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is whatever theory your gross ignorance allows you to conjure. Good grief.

You try to win by insults. You said so in a post. That won't change the date of 1978 given by ALPA.

911 posted on 06/28/2006 1:08:20 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Rokke
Rokke,"It's right there in all its glory with supporting radar data and how it was derived. You should try reading the report sometime instead of trying to refute something you've never read"

post it then, hint, its not there!

912 posted on 06/28/2006 1:08:54 PM PDT by radialenginefan
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To: GarySpFc; Rokke

That is kind of what I figured. After I got off active duty in 1977 I went into the USAR. Guess what, I was commander of ODA 325 in 11th Group. Team 5, B Co, 3rd Bn, 11th SFG in Savannah, GA. I am very well aware how well those people were trained.

Any particular reason why you went into the National Guard at that time in history?

We have several people in 11th Group that are on active duty in Afganistan and Iraq at present. We get emails from them all the time. I have a friend who was a year ahead of me at North Georgia College, he just baggered the Army to let him back on active duty at 63 years old in the infantry. We also have one about 68 that just went back in as a doctor who served a tour in Afganistan. I have toyed with the idea but am presently drawing 100% disability from the VA plus 100% pay from Combat Related Special Compensation. I would really hate to screw that up, especially since I have also had 10 operations on the heart. However, as was pointed out, I still mow grass on my tractor, run a bulldozer, and am now in the process of getting my pilot's license. My question is how did you people know I had all the mowing equipment.


913 posted on 06/28/2006 1:11:59 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: GarySpFc

We had a C130A do that about a week after we jumped it.

Speaking of C119's, one of my NCO's I had in Korea got into EOD because he got tired of jumping and walking when he was in the 82nd. He was a Korean war veteran in the 187th ?? or whatever airborne brigade that was in Korea. They were at Bragg on a C119 and had a tail boom crack. He said the pilot came back and looked at it and told everyone they were not going to make it to the DZ and to get ready to jump. He also told them, that if they didn't want to jump, just follow him back up to the cockpit and he would show them how to fly the plane. They went out with the aircraft crew right behind them.


914 posted on 06/28/2006 1:17:32 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: defenderSD

They saw a burning airplane.


915 posted on 06/28/2006 1:18:42 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: defenderSD

No I want you to explain to us how something like this could be covered up.


916 posted on 06/28/2006 1:20:06 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: U S Army EOD
However, as was pointed out, I still mow grass on my tractor, run a bulldozer, and am now in the process of getting my pilot's license. My question is how did you people know I had all the mowing equipment.

While I disagree with your assessment of the crash of flight 800, I still think you and I could become fast friends. Come on over, and I'll show you my field lawn.

917 posted on 06/28/2006 1:20:42 PM PDT by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest." Þ)
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To: Rokke
The Clinton crime machine had over a year to study EVERY aspect of the accident. They gots their heads together and produced a cartoon depicting 800 ascending like a rocket, and stated data from the crash was used to create the movie. Did the NTSB immediately cry fowl? No, but they WERE obviously embarrassed badly and rode off and reappeared with an "tweaked" version...

This was a MAJOR PR blunder, and the bridge of cards (lies) began to crumble, and at this point is a shambles with each new release of FOIA evidence.

I'm so glad that you, Rokke, are here discussing the aspects of this cover-up with me, (notice I'm using you a vehicle/sap to get the truth out, Thank you!

918 posted on 06/28/2006 1:24:00 PM PDT by radialenginefan
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Absolutely correct, but that would be a toss up comparing it to tetryl as far as shock. I know of one case where a individual tried to burn a roll of Det Chord and had it high order. After that, I never attempted to burn any.

I once did a report on fire survivability of 5" ZUNI warheads in a fire. Each warhead had PETN or detchord lead ins into the main charge with none of this being out of line (always armed). My conclusion to the Navy was that this could be the source of some of their problems with cook offs.
919 posted on 06/28/2006 1:26:19 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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To: BykrBayb

I can cut a baseball field in less than 45 minutes. If you are female and decent looking, we might just work something out.


920 posted on 06/28/2006 1:28:20 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (i)
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