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To: Semus Dynnen
Climate scientists Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes had concluded the Northern Hemisphere was the warmest it has been in 2,000 years. Their research was known as the "hockey-stick" graphic because it compared the sharp curve of the hockey blade to the recent uptick in temperatures and the stick's long shaft to centuries of previous climate stability.

Hasn't this been soundly thrashed as being a gross mathematical error?

3 posted on 06/22/2006 8:30:34 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Sooo - what - the Pilgrams were driving SUV's and their coal plants and factories were putting out to much CO2?????

Hmm


10 posted on 06/22/2006 8:33:47 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: DuncanWaring
Hasn't this been soundly thrashed as being a gross mathematical error?

Yep - a statistician fed random data sets into the model and got a hockey-stick output for each. It's really quite stunning how propagandists keep churning out discredited information as fact long after it's been trashed.

12 posted on 06/22/2006 8:35:04 AM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: DuncanWaring
Hasn't this been soundly thrashed as being a gross mathematical error?

Oh yes, repeatedly. The issue has been beaten from many angles, but it's an article of faith with the Progressive (read:Socialist) Left. You don't dare challenge it with facts.

14 posted on 06/22/2006 8:35:23 AM PDT by TChris ("Wake up, America. This is serious." - Ben Stein)
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To: DuncanWaring

It is not just a mathematical error. Statisticians McKittrick and McIntyre exposed the ruse. Mann's "hockey stick" is an extreme torturing and distortion of the data. It is so extreme that it can't just be an error--it's intentional. It not only assumes (extrapolates) a flat climate curve during the Medieval Warming Period for bristlecone pine data, it uses multiple iterations to "smooth" out the MWP from the other data and heavily weights the bristlecone pine data to artificially show a sudden curve upward at the beginning of the 20th Century. What is ironic about the bristlecone pine data is that the tree ring growth doesn't match actual temperature readings from the area, which show no warming.
The importance to the global warming hoax is the elimination of the MWP, the Holy Grail of global warming alarmists.


42 posted on 06/22/2006 8:59:14 AM PDT by TheDotte ("The advertisement contains the only reliable truths to be found in the newspaper."-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DuncanWaring
Summary by the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change

(2003 10 01 )

What do they tell us about the highly-advertised claims of the world's climate alarmists relative to warming-induced droughts and floods?....

Climate alarmists claim that global warming will bring extremes of both floods and droughts to the world, and that the earth is now warmer than it has been in the entire past millennium. If these two claims were correct, we should clearly be seeing wet and dry periods that exceed the worst of the past half-millennium or more. In this extensive and well-calibrated record from the United States, however, we don't. Ergo, something is rotten in more than Denmark:

There is additional evidence, such as the results of examining sedimentary records in lake beds. Those layers of sedimentation permit to identify the seasonal fluctuations in the run-off as well as the total amount of run-off and the historical water levels in our lakes.

Similarly, sedimentation records obtained by examining core samples taken from the sea beds of various oceans permit to establish quite accurately what life existed at the ocean surface and how well it did over the centuries and millennia. Thereby a continuous and accurate record of historical surface sea-temperatures can be determined.

Curiously, and the Kyoto-hype advocates must surely be interested in that (or are they?), the record for the Sargasso Sea shows that the current sea-surface temperature is about half a degree Celsius below the average for the last 3000 years. Moreover, although the sea-surface temperature has recently increased somewhat but not quite reached the 3000-year average, it is rising in perfect synchronicity with the record of solar activity. It has done so before and will do so again.

Just as there were times in the past where it was much colder than it is now, so there were times when our globe was much warmer. The last period of a considerably warmer climate was during the Medieval Optimum, just before the Little Ice Age set in out of which we are climbing just now.

Superstitions, in spite of many voices of reason, brought about the witch hunts as the climate turned colder during the Little Ice Age. (See the paper by historian Wolfgang Behringer: Climatic Change and Witch-Hunting: The Impact of the Little Ice Age on Mentalities)

Superstitions, in spite of many voices of reason, bring us now the witch hunts promoted by the proponents of the Kyoto accord. Such is the power of propaganda.

Full report and data at:( follow the multiple links off this page)

http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming7.htm

62 posted on 06/22/2006 10:14:41 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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