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Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
fox news ^ | 6/21/06

Posted on 06/21/2006 5:52:18 PM PDT by mylife

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To: Grut
be careful - you wouldn't want us to think you're over stretching, in the best MSM/libRat style..."presume the fault is with the U.S., not the Saddam regime..."
141 posted on 06/22/2006 4:42:07 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: mylife

Nothing this morning. The lead story is the degrading of the Marines. They are even ignoring the torture of our two soldiers.

This sucks.


142 posted on 06/22/2006 5:06:36 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: maine-iac7
be careful - you wouldn't want us to think you're over stretching, in the best MSM/libRat style..."presume the fault is with the U.S., not the Saddam regime..."

Feel free to think whatever you want. I won't even insist on coherence.

143 posted on 06/22/2006 10:24:50 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Michael.SF.

Saddam did not hide them at all. These were mostly rounds stored in small chaches throughout Iraq, mostly up north to prevent a total loss should their arsenals be destroyed. They were forgotten and are now being found and put oon the market by less than savory characters.


144 posted on 06/23/2006 3:23:25 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: bubman

They would do nothing unless you got hurt by the explosion. Sarin that is more than a few years old poses virtually no threat.


145 posted on 06/23/2006 3:24:34 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: elhombrelibre

No, sarin will not remail lethal at all. I say again, these were canisters that had been buried in underground bunkers and forgotten. If you've seen pictures of them they are so corroded they would no longer go through a canon. The sarin inside the containers was not in binary form so they were particularly useless after even a year or two.


146 posted on 06/23/2006 3:27:19 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: jayef

I think you are missing my point. I am not defending Saddam nor denying we had good cause to invade. My point is, those sarin rounds were buried in groups of 20 to 30 all over Iraq, and then forgotten. Those rounds have mostly been bought from dealers who get together with farmers who find them buried in concrete bunkers on their property (blowing sand will cover an entrance in less than a year). They bring one to the USG reps and then promise to bring the rest for a price. We buy them only because they pose a risk to anyone fooling around with them, albeit a small one, plus if we create a market for them someone might eventually bring us something that is genuinely lethal. But, they have absolutely no value as a weapon in their present form or disassembled. The reason the pentagon and the White House have been so quiet is because they are aware of this. When everyone was convinced Saddam had WMD it was not with the expectation of finding some no longer lethal weapons, it was with the expectation of finding stuff that was still lethal.


147 posted on 06/23/2006 3:36:48 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Well, you are right. I spent all of 2005 in Iraq and was involved in many of the finds or purchases from dealers. We never found any sarin that analysis didn't show had any lethality left in it. One of the common refrains was, "it is so weak you'd have to drink it to get hurt." I would definitely not store it in my basement, but then I wouldn't store 50 gallon drums of chlorine or ammonia in my basement, either; but I do keep a gallon or so in my laundry room.


148 posted on 06/23/2006 3:40:25 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: highlander_UW

They are a technical violation, but not a violation that warrants any efforts by Santorum. But the rest of your point is spot on. Saddam could have had production going on all sorts of WMDs weeks after it was clear we were not going to invade and that is the actual threat Saddam posed. Had we backed down and shown an unwillingness to do something about it by invading, as the UN had shown time and time again, he would most definitely have kick started his WMD production.


149 posted on 06/23/2006 3:43:17 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: Flightdeck

They were not extremely lethal. I've seen them, and been there when they were drilled and tested. They had absolutely no potency left at all. They weren't even in binary form.


150 posted on 06/23/2006 3:45:52 PM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: river rat

"In my opinion, this is simply the first of such "news" to be released... The evil Karl Rove still has "worse" news in store for the traitorous Democrats."

This has definitely been my opinion all along. As people scream (including me at times) about the Bush administration's failure to counteract the "No WMDs, Bush Lied" mantra I am comforted knowing there is a method behind it.

There will be lots of such news before November. And the Democrats are playing right into it -- soft on national security -- which will get them unelected once again.



151 posted on 06/23/2006 3:49:48 PM PDT by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: RCNOVA

"They had absolutely no potency left at all."

Why does the 2003 Iraq survey report say the exact opposite, that they were extremely lethal, then?


152 posted on 06/23/2006 4:00:00 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: RCNOVA

This UN report completely disputes your last 10 posts.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653841/posts


153 posted on 06/23/2006 4:04:13 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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To: RCNOVA
Saddam did not hide them at all. These were mostly rounds stored in small chaches throughout Iraq...

You seem to know a bit about this and seem to be sincere in trying to be perfectly clear as to what was actually found. I will assume that your motives are for accuracy and are not nefarious. Now let's take a look at what you are over looking:

1) The armistice, which was agreed to at the end of GWI, obligated Saddam to provide assistance in located MWD's left over.

2)The UN "inspectors" were sent in to confirm that MWD'S had been destroyed and or turned over. This required the cooperation of Sadaam's people.

3)Saddam violate 16 UN resolutions which obligated his cooperation.

4) Saddam had been advised to cooperate or face serious consequences.

5) Had Saddam had a serious intent to cooperate, all of these shells and probably many others would have been found and turned in years ago.

6) The only method available to secure the USA and our people was to take the SOB out by any means necessary.

7) The Shells found are proof of his lack of cooperation and deceitfulness Correct me where I am wrong

154 posted on 06/23/2006 4:22:11 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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To: Michael.SF.
It does seem that there are more than one 'apologist' in here, doesn't it. There are many who do not want Bush proved right, no matter the evidence.

They have invested years in "Bush lied ---" and not about to give in - no matter

155 posted on 06/23/2006 4:34:49 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: girlangler
I sure hope we're right on that...
Nothing needs doing more that burying any hope of the leftist bastards getting more power than they already have...

No question that the leftists have PROVED they are the ruination of the nation.

Semper Fi
156 posted on 06/23/2006 5:05:32 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: RCNOVA

And have you seen the lab reports too? I bet you haven't. I bet you're assuming more than a few things.


157 posted on 06/23/2006 5:42:13 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: Flightdeck

I am not aware of any mustard gas. Every shell we found in Iraq in 2004 had Sarin gas. My point is, the shells we found numbered around 500 which matches the numbers Santorum quoted so I suspect we are talking the same thing. I am not saying that it is not possible there are other WMDs as yet undiscovered, I am only referring to what I suspect Santorum is talking about.


158 posted on 06/24/2006 5:10:47 AM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: Michael.SF.
I won't correct you because you are right on every count. In no way am I defending Saddam or saying that when it came to WMDs he wasn't totally deceitful across the board. I am referring only to the 500 or so rounds I am familiar with and which I "believe" Santorum may be referring to. All information we had was that these rounds were cached around the countryside as fall back munitions in the event the Republican guard had to make tactical retreats during the US invasion in 91 (assuming the US continued into Baghdad). The suspicion is that they were simply forgotten or ignored and over time those undergroun bunkers were covered over with sand. But those rounds were of no value to Saddam so you have to scratch your head and wonder why he would deliberately kept those hidden but destroyed the lethal ones.

I think there were several good reasons for invading Iraq. The fact we haven't found significant quantities of WMDs is only an issue that keeps the left happy. We are winning the war and will be able to withdraw sometime in the next couple of years and leave behind a somewhat stable government. To me that is far more significant than WMDs.

159 posted on 06/24/2006 5:23:28 AM PDT by RCNOVA
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To: elhombrelibre

The field tests indicated they were extremely weak, the lab tests in the US confirmed it. But, except for a few tested rounds the balance were destroyed on sight by military EOD teams.


160 posted on 06/24/2006 5:25:14 AM PDT by RCNOVA
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