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Buffalo's Stampede Against Privacy
Reason ^ | June 21, 2006 | Radley Balko

Posted on 06/21/2006 2:48:22 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: dljordan
The number of FReepers that applaud tyranny such as this is amazing.

You're being an idiot.

41 posted on 06/22/2006 11:59:59 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: neverdem

It's only a matter of time before a neighborhood or city gets tired of being treated like this and begins ambushing cops.

I've no great love for drug dealers, but the tactics used here are highly questionable. Sounds like a bunch of wannabes out to look like the Marines at Iwo Jima.


42 posted on 06/22/2006 12:05:40 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: rogue yam

" You're being an idiot."

Futue te ipsum!


43 posted on 06/22/2006 12:26:33 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
44 posted on 06/22/2006 11:23:38 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Zon
Is this article one for the ping list?

Yes it is thanks for the ping

45 posted on 06/22/2006 11:25:36 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: neverdem
Six pounds of marijuana and seven ounces of crack from nearly forty residences, all of which housed suspected drug dealers? A massive, armored force of SWAT teams in battle garb, storming "all corners of the city," was necessary to seize just five guns?

Maybe there just is not much in the way of drugs in Buffalo. Maybe the problem has been hyped in order to obtain funding for uniforms, weapons, etc. Maybe a lot of things, but that many hits into a target rich environment should produce more impressive statistics. Maybe some more funding would help that too...

46 posted on 06/23/2006 1:18:50 AM PDT by Bernard (God helps those who helps themselves - The US Government takes in the rest.)
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To: rogue yam
It seems that some people have no idea what gun-toting drug dealers are like. If there were twenty drug dealers in your neighborhood, wouldn't you want them gone?

So, it would be okay with you if a swat team invaded your home, killed your dog and hauled you off to jail to catch 20 others who were in possession of pot or coke?

Keep in mind that they still have not released any info showing they captured even one dealer. 78 homes invaded, 58 innocent victims of police state excess...and that is okay with you!
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47 posted on 06/23/2006 10:00:13 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
So, it would be okay with you if a swat team invaded your home, killed your dog and hauled you off to jail to catch 20 others who were in possession of pot or coke?

Keep in mind that they still have not released any info showing they captured even one dealer. 78 homes invaded, 58 innocent victims of police state excess...and that is okay with you!

Your post is stupid and rude, but I will reply to it anyway.

The police in question executed legal warrants. As I posted above, this article is a profoundly inflamatory and dishonest description of the police's actions. I am not any where near stupid or crazy enough to get suckered in by such nonsense. Thanks anyway.

Executing warrants is part of the police's job. I am certainly "ok" with people doing their jobs. If the police did this to me it would be a mistake on their part as I have absolutely no association with criminals or drugs. Depending on the circumstances, I would likely seek redress for any losses I suffered as a result of their mistake. To anticipate the next question: No, I would hope and expect that the experience would not turn me into an obnoxious, raving, "libertarian" moron.

As for the rest of what you wrote, you have the few facts wrong and are also making stuff up. What you libertaroid jackasses fail to understand is that we conservatives have heard your nonsense and have rejected it and you because we are not insane. But hey, have fun at the 2008 Libertarian Party convention, loser.

48 posted on 06/23/2006 11:31:55 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
No, I would hope and expect that the experience would not turn me into an obnoxious, raving, "libertarian" moron.

Ronald Reagan the Libertarian

Here's a quote from Reagan in 1975 from Reason magazine.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories.

The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Your bashing of libertarian philosophy is at odds with what Reagan had to say about it.

49 posted on 06/23/2006 1:11:23 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: rogue yam
If the police did this to me it would be a mistake on their part as I have absolutely no association with criminals or drugs.

Neither did these people. They are all dead, killed by police.

John Adams
64 years old
Lebanon, Tennessee
October, 2000

Shot to death during a SWAT drug raid while watching TV. The house didn't match the description on the warrant.

Annie Rae Dixon
84 years old
Tyler, Texas
January, 1993

Bedridden with pneumonia during a drug raid. Officer kicked open her bedroom door and accidentally shot her.

Patrick Dorismond
26 years old
New York, New York
March, 2000

Patrick was a security guard who wanted to become a policeman. He was off-duty and unarmed when he went out with friends. Standing on the street looking for a taxi, he was approached by undercover police who asked to buy some marijuana from him. Patrick was offended by the request (he didn't use drugs), and a scuffle ensued. Dorismond was then shot to death by the police.

Willie Heard
46 years old
Osawatomie, Kansas
February, 1999

SWAT conducted a no-knock drug raid, complete with flash-bang grenades. Heard was shot to death in front of his wife and 16-year-old daughter who had cried for help. Fearing home invasion, he was holding an empty rifle. The raid was at the wrong house.

Ismael Mena
45 years old
Denver, Colorado
September, 1999

Mena was killed when police barged into his house looking for drugs. They had the wrong address.

Pedro Oregon Navarro
22 yeqrs old
July, 1998

Following up on a tip from a drug suspect, 6 officers crowded into a hallway outside Navarro's bedroom. When the door opened, one officer shouted that he had a gun. Navarro's gun was never fired, but officers fired 30 rounds, with 12 of them hitting Pedro. No drugs were found.

Plenty more victims at this link.

Drug War Victims

50 posted on 06/23/2006 1:40:01 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: rogue yam
As for the rest of what you wrote, you have the few facts wrong and are also making stuff up.

Really? How many were charged with dealing? Why did they lie about the quantity of pot seized in the raids? Why were there so many released without being charged? So many questions...so few answers.

What you libertaroid jackasses fail to understand is that we conservatives have heard your nonsense and have rejected it and you because we are not insane. But hey, have fun at the 2008 Libertarian Party convention, loser.

And what you authoritarian jackasses fail to understand is that we real conservatives have heard your self serving BS, rejected it and you because we are sane.

But hey, have fun at the 2008 Libertarian Party convention, loser.

I registered Republican in 1963 and voted the party ticket through 2004. But thanks, I will enjoy the 2008 Libertarian Party convention. I started the new year as a Libertarian thanks to you neocons.

"Almost all of the major police corruption scandals of the last several decades have had their roots in drug enforcement. We’ve seen robbery, extortion, drug dealing, drug stealing, drug use, false arrests, perjury, throw-down guns, and murder.
And these are the good guys?".... Norm Stamper, 28-year police veteran of the San Diego police department and former Seattle police chief
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52 posted on 06/23/2006 7:33:47 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99

I would respond to you but apparently the present admin. mod. wants me to pretend that you are not retarded. Since I am not willing to lie, I will leave this thread to the retarded savages. Congratulations to you and to the A.M.


53 posted on 06/24/2006 2:50:07 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: mugs99

Oh, just in case the A.M. is asleep, Compare the number of raids inyour post vs, the number of raids in the O.P. You will find that you are a stooge.


54 posted on 06/24/2006 2:53:14 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

Another FReeper pointed out to me that you are in law enforcement, and I see in your profile that you're in San Francisco. I'll point out to you that I and those other FReepers you called names defended the SFPD when the SFPD was taking heat over that video. Were we stooges then too?


55 posted on 06/24/2006 9:55:45 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: mugs99
Another FReeper pointed out to me that you are in law enforcement...

I am not in law enforcement. That other FReeper is an idiot like you.

56 posted on 06/24/2006 12:09:33 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
I am not in law enforcement.

Thank God...You're just another run of the mill San Francisco Liberal!
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57 posted on 06/24/2006 3:55:47 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
It's only a matter of time before a neighborhood or city gets tired of being treated like this and begins ambushing cops.

Already happening

Michael Paul Astorga

58 posted on 06/25/2006 4:59:47 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

SWAT HAND SIGNALS

59 posted on 07/18/2006 2:31:56 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: neverdem

If I lived back in Buffalo, New York, I'd do drugs just to keep my sanity.


60 posted on 07/18/2006 2:40:50 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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