Posted on 06/21/2006 2:48:22 PM PDT by neverdem
What's the reason for the gratuitous insult, if I may ask? It wasnt to me, but I posted the article.
These vicious, drug dealing scumbags are not vicious scumbags because the public (not the "government") has chosen to make certain drugs illegal.
All of the states have a republican form of government, i.e. their representatives make the laws, except in states where plebicites are also allowed for initiatives and referenda. Their representatives typically pander to an uninformed public, playing to their basest fears.
Rather they are vicious scumbags because they themselves have chosen to be such. And why? For the money.
The money is not there without a black market. Check with some physicians about what drug causes the most harm. It's alcohol. Hands down, unless it's used in moderation. That's an iffy proposition.
If politicians and bureaucrats didn't create so many gun control laws that violate the 2nd amendment the criminals would be dissuaded from robbery since they wouldn't know who was carrying a gun. Plus, more people would conceal carry if not for government violations of the 2nd amendment.
If drug prohibition were ended users wouldn't be robbing people to get their fix. Don't see alcoholics robbing people to get their next drink.
Each person is accountable for their actions. When alcohol prohibition ended violent crime plummeted. The same would likely occur with the end of drug prohibition.
All in all. politicians, namely members of congress, have disarmed people via gun control laws and created the conditions for violent drug-turf wars by prohibiting certain drugs. Pure propaganda demonizing marijuana was foisted on the public.
The constitution doesn't grant the government the power to prohibit any substance. Politicians of the day in 1917 knew that in order to prohibit alcohol that they had to amend the constitution with the 18th amendment.
Politicians creating drug prohibition laws have done so via the notion that the constitution is a living document. That what was illegal for politicians to do without amending the constitution in 1917 was legal in 1937.
How many thousands of drug dealers has there been over the last sixty-nine years? How much illicit-drug-related violence has occurred? How many innocent citizens have had their rights violated in the name of fighting drug-prohibition? What's the monetary cost to those victims? Drug prohibition laws and enforcement has cost tax payers over a trillion dollars.
The root of those problems is members of congress violating their oaths to honor and uphold the United States Constitution. Their lies the cancer. The above problems are the symptoms.
Additional note:
Legislating from the bench is a misnomer, at best. Congress is responsible for ensuring that the laws they pass do not violate the constitution. The courts and jurors merely rule on a case by case basis how the laws should apply -- not whether the law violates the constitution. Just as a juror should judge the facts and the law as it pertains to a specific case and nullify for that specific case, so should supreme court judges/jurors. Up until 1894 judges routinely informed jurors that they were to judge the facts and the law. That was in accordance with the 6th amendment assurance that the defendant would have an impartial jury. Elected officials -- congress -- create the laws. Appointed bureaucrats -- judges -- judge how the laws apply on a case by case basis.
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Law Enforcement Against Prohibition -- LEAP. In the trenches judges, prosecutors, LEOs, DEA, etc. that have seen the WOD from the inside.
Is this article one for the ping list?
It is not a gratuitous insult. Beneath the hyperbole, I'm saying that individual responsibility is the very root of our civilization.
Thanks.
Now they all have Associates Degrees in Crimbinal Justice from Falling Leaves Junior College so they be a lot smarter.
As far as I can see, the only violence cited in the article came from the "law".
Uhhhhh kinda like gun toting thugs in black body armor??????Just as drug companies have perverted the idea of medicine as a healing art so too have the cop toys/equipment companies have twisted the art of policing into something done through the barrel of a gun.
Respect for law grows from selfrespecting enforcers of the law not revenue collectors/animal control officers who have no contact or context in the community they "police".
PROGRESS
1776 - Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
2006 The inspectors' presence enables police to get inside the home without a search warrant.
I would be less worried about the dogs and more concerned about the risk to yourself, but I agree with the sentiment. And this sort of Gestapo tactic invites reprisals
In my post I used the word "violence" only in reference to its use in the post to which I responded. For this reason your reply to me is illogical and worthless.
I would seek them out, hunt them down and kill them slowly. Period.
Carolyn
GFYS.
The number of these Gestapo raids as increasing every year throughout the Union of Socialist States of America. It is only a matter of time before they trigger the wrong person and you see some sort of McVeigh type response. - Something like phoning in a drug tip to a house rigged with a fertilizer bomb or a house rigged with methyl bromide or mustard gas or the Iraq favorite a roadside bomb.
I'm saying that individual responsibility is the very root of our civilization.
The root of the anti-civilization is dishonesty, rationality and criminality. The root of a civilization is fully integrated honesty.
Unlike truth that has many gray areas, honesty has none. Something is either honest or not honest.
Continued in post 23.
"I am afraid if thugs like this busted in and shot my dogs I would have to (eventually) retaliate in some manner that would be unacceptable to many on FR."
I have similar sentiments. The number of FReepers that applaud tyranny such as this is amazing.
As far as I can see, the only violence cited in the article came from the "law".
You're right. I notice that vegetable boy is silent on that.
Police State Bump
Thanks for the ping!
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